World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

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Excuse me, good sirs, why are you weird ? We are not talking about WoW's casual endgame, we're discussing FF's... And you're missing the point, especially because, well, that's not casual content. As it's been said, wow crafting is probably the most time consuming thing ever coded in that game, and getting all recipes means farming whole *ss reputations on several different alts to craft anything and everything, and everything else you're talking about is PvE. Easy, quick PvE, but PvE nonetheless.

What makes FFXIV appeal to the imvu/second life/deviantart/whatevs is not the roulettes, it's island sanctuary, housing, omnicrafting, gold saucer... those are the things that make people log in, and, since they already play the game, they put up with roulettes to help others, hence why most people don't play that well, they don't care a bit about PvE.

"But you need to do content to do housing, or glamours", nah, you just need gils, and you certainly don't need to do any PvE to make gils. You don't even need to log in to get gils, actually, but that's another issue. Same for glamours, everything except alliance raids can be farmed much more easily than in WoW, that has weekly locks for everything, and makes farming gear a mess.

Still, to the point, that makes FFXIV livelier, because as I said, those people that don't care about the PvE still do it because they're already logged on, so no, it won't be any downfall per se. What could be a downfall, however, would be listening to the forums, and actually do things to change that balance, may it be "cater too much for hardcore players" (midcores are covered by savage and the occasional "let's go to ultimate > owah, that was a hard first mechanic") by doing 3-4 ultimates an expansion, with less content for casual/midcores, or "cater too much for casual players", by giving only 1 ultimate (Hello Shadow "best expansion ever despite being one of the emptiest ones" bringers), removing deep dungeon, criterion, or whatever else they gave us recently.

I still don't like the relics farming being taken this lightly, but let's be honest, criterion is the "relic farm" equivalent, and it's better to have that as separate content that you can do or refuse to do depending on nothing but personal choice.

Edit : Ah, and another thing that will keep FFXIV rolling is actually modders : they might be dangerous criminals on the loose, they do play in both hardcore and casual content, and will keep playing the game out of nothing but love (irrationnal, maybe, but eh, whatever floats anyone's boats) for their characters, even if they don't actually like the current tier/have not much to do. So yeah, that's another thing WoW doesn't have.