We have officially reached maintenance....

[hunkygladiator]

I agree. But to some this is a good thing. As a huge fan of games like the tell tale series, an RPGMMO is right down my alley. The MSQ of this game felt like an interactive story with occasional multiplayer more than it felt like a "game." It's part of the core of what makes this game successful for me and others like me. "How little combat" there is, as you put it, is a feature not a bug. But I respect that not everyone wants this. I believe those folks would be better served by an MMORPG that caters more to their playstyle. Less story, more combat, more raids more pvp, hmm I can think of many.

Other mmo's are games that you play. FFXIV is unapologetically a world to live in, and Im here for it.

Then why not play the dozens of single player games with far better story. FF14's story isn't even that good. It's only good within MMOs.

[caffe_macchiato]

Other mmo's are games that you play. FFXIV is unapologetically a [giant cutscene], and Im here for it.

So true. With its 110 hours of cutscenes, FFXIV is by far the longest RPG ever released and is likely on par with an entire year of new Netflix exclusives. It’s a giant movie where you can just sit back and watch the game play itself, and we’re all here for it.

And when you’re done with the story, you can go play your other games which actually have gameplay. In fact, you can just unsubscribe and play all the other games you want and then just watch all the cutscenes in a year’s time like binging on Netflix. Isn’t that awesome? FFXIV is the game you DON’T have to play, and we’re all hyped as hell for 6.4 and Zero and all that shit.

(Normally I try to mock you people, but at this point it’s becoming a bit tiresome since you still, actually, unironically think like this. Hopefully Yoshi-P bans all the modders so they’re forced to come to terms with how little patch content there is.)

FF14's story isn't even that good. It's only good within MMOs.

BUT I CRIED OVER 9,000 TIMES!! SOKEN DIED FOR THIS

[DragonFlyy]

Ah the infamous ransu! I think we traded blows in the pvp forums as well if i remember correct but anyway.... This has nothing to do with me liking content and everything to do with the level of laziness that was on full display throughout entire expansion. Yoshi has committed to 7.0 so im aware that content is still being developed and live letter marketed but after the graphic update is done and 7.0 is released i truly believe the drop off will be felt by those who don't already feel it and recognize the writing on the wall. Difference between me and my attackers are...im willing to take accountability if im wrong. Will you?

So you admit that your original post is false.
Or you don't know what maintenance mode is, here I'll help: "Maintenance mode is the point when an MMO is being maintained reliably but isn't being actively developed any longer."

So no, we are not in maintenance mode. If you feel the content is lazy, then say that, don't make up sh*t just to look cool on a forum.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Then why not play the dozens of single player games with far better story. FF14's story isn't even that good. It's only good within MMOs.

Because there are many, many social aspects of FFXIV that I enjoy and could not get from a single player or even multiplayer lobby game. To me, logging into a game and seeing many of the same names in the same places day in and day out for months sometimes as I do my in game walks is still quite precious to me, and in fact nothing short of amazing. To always meet new people and hit them with a dote or a wave and have it returned with a "how have you been? learn any new bard music lately? hows your SO doing?" I feel like I am actually part of a small town in an age where community is largely dead in most other MMO'.s. It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

Either way, I disagree about the story. I thought ARR was a fine intro to the characters and world. Heavensward story was a master piece. Stormblood was meh. Shadowbringers, to me, is my favorite story in any form of media period. The characters and story spoketo me on a very personal level. Forgiveness. Redemption. Themes that I needed at a time in my life when i really needed them. Im okay with it if others do not agree. It doesn't detract from my joy of the story at all. Endwalker was pretty good too but it's very much the Return of the Jedi for me. It did what it needed to do but its no Shadowbringers.

[Nizzi]

I feel like I am actually part of a small town in an age where community is largely dead in most other MMO'.s. It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

This is so funny to me because it perfectly illustrates how you literally don't even understand what you're arguing against or defending papa Yoshi and XIV against, you just feel the compulsive need to do it no matter what.

My main character is on Balmung, and I've been on there since before your WoW streamer e-daddies released you from your 15+ year old shackles and told you to come play this game. Everything that you listed existed before now, and existed simultaneously while the developers were giving us things like Eureka, Bozja or other content that encouraged the community to work together, communicate and actually play the game together. None of this will prevent you from pretending you are your XIV character as you modbeast, send tells asking other players to break ToS with you by swapping Mare codes and doing /beesknees in a totally not ERP venue in the Mist somewhere.

[Saraide]

This is so funny to me because it perfectly illustrates how you literally don't even understand what you're arguing against or defending papa Yoshi and XIV against, you just feel the compulsive need to do it no matter what.

My main character is on Balmung, and I've been on there since before your WoW streamer e-daddies released you from your 15+ year old shackles and told you to come play this game. Everything that you listed existed before now, and existed simultaneously while the developers were giving us things like Eureka, Bozja or other content that encouraged the community to work together, communicate and actually play the game together. None of this will prevent you from pretending you are your XIV character as you modbeast, send tells asking other players to break ToS with you by swapping Mare codes and doing /beesknees in a totally not ERP venue in the Mist somewhere.

Woah, back in my day we just called people white knights and left it at that.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

This is so funny to me because it perfectly illustrates how you literally don't even understand what you're arguing against or defending papa Yoshi and XIV against, you just feel the compulsive need to do it no matter what.

My main character is on Balmung, and I've been on there since before your WoW streamer e-daddies released you from your 15+ year old shackles and told you to come play this game. Everything that you listed existed before now, and existed simultaneously while the developers were giving us things like Eureka, Bozja or other content that encouraged the community to work together, communicate and actually play the game together. None of this will prevent you from pretending you are your XIV character as you modbeast, send tells asking other players to break ToS with you by swapping Mare codes and doing /beesknees in a totally not ERP venue in the Mist somewhere.

Yeah you definitely seem personally offended that the way I enjoy the game does not line up with the way you do. Im sorry you feel that way.

But to the few relevant points you tried to make, I don't think I ever argued against Bozja or Eureka, but I only slightly dabbled in them and yes, did not find them enjoyable. Its quite possible I may not have given them enough chance. I do however enjoy roulettes and dailies to the point that (much to my SO's horror) I was disappointed to find out mentor roulette was only 2,000 runs for the mount. I feel ike 5,000 or 10,000 would be more appropriate. So when I learned that my first current content relic weapons would be earned by doing the type of content that I already enjoy most in the game, I was, unapologetically overjoyed. Im sorry you dont feel that way.

Woah, back in my day we just called people white knights and left it at that.

There might have been a time I was a white knight for a game. There are plenty of things about FFXIV that I find distasteful, bad, unenjoyable, a waste of dev resources etc. But hey if I love the story and am fine with how we get relic weapons now than surely I must attend the church of Yoshi P /s

Im no fan of Eurka and Bozja as ive already stated. I dont defend them. I also was very disappointed with the island. I was surprised that I didn't like it. PvP has a lot of potential but still needs a lot of work. CC is fun but needs to be expanded. There are plenty of weird issues with the glamour dresser database, belts, and little annoyances. This game isn't perfect, but it is definitely my favorite.

[MonteCristo]

So you admit that your original post is false.
Or you don't know what maintenance mode is, here I'll help: "Maintenance mode is the point when an MMO is being maintained reliably but isn't being actively developed any longer."

So no, we are not in maintenance mode. If you feel the content is lazy, then say that, don't make up sh*t just to look cool on a forum.

No i dont admit its false. Maintenance mode to me = managed decline. Ffxi is in maintenance but still gets active updates does change its definition? What i will say is we all know 7.0 had been in development and that content is already set in stone and decided upon. After that i don't believe development will be anything near what it had been leading up to endwalker thus ushering in what i believe to be maintenance....the writing has been on the wall since they started structuring this game into a single player focused experience. Not if but when ffxvi succeeds also put me on record for officially saying yoshi may see that success as a wanting to seek new heights and please take what you will from that statement.

PS- not to be an a**hole but to be an a**hole....i care about looking cool about as much as u care about my opinion. Could also care less about tryin to impress anyone here its much bigger than that.

[caffe_macchiato]

I feel like I am actually part of a small town in an age where community is largely dead in most other MMO'.s. It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

The real cancer that’s killing FFXIV is this notion that we don’t need gameplay because everyone loves idling while playing other games. The entire focus of endgame in FFXIV has shifted to being about endless club spam and horrendous mod beasts. Friends have ample time to shoot the shit and engage in water cooler talk because there’s literally nothing else to do. As you indicate, FFXIV is very much the successor to Second Life and VRChat. And we’ve reached the point where white knights actually LIKE that.

I miss FFXIV being a video game.

[hunkygladiator]

Because there are many, many social aspects of FFXIV that I enjoy and could not get from a single player or even multiplayer lobby game. To me, logging into a game and seeing many of the same names in the same places day in and day out for months sometimes as I do my in game walks is still quite precious to me, and in fact nothing short of amazing. To always meet new people and hit them with a dote or a wave and have it returned with a "how have you been? learn any new bard music lately? hows your SO doing?" I feel like I am actually part of a small town in an age where community is largely dead in most other MMO'.s. It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

Either way, I disagree about the story. I thought ARR was a fine intro to the characters and world. Heavensward story was a master piece. Stormblood was meh. Shadowbringers, to me, is my favorite story in any form of media period. The characters and story spoketo me on a very personal level. Forgiveness. Redemption. Themes that I needed at a time in my life when i really needed them. Im okay with it if others do not agree. It doesn't detract from my joy of the story at all. Endwalker was pretty good too but it's very much the Return of the Jedi for me. It did what it needed to do but its no Shadowbringers.

I know it's subjective but FF14's story is not that sophisticated. It isn't really that profound. Endwalker was actually one of the best stories in terms of themes, especially in Ultima Thule, but it's just constantly marred by fanservice and fanfiction-tier writing. Sure, the themes of FF14 are great, but the writing and character development just do not match. When I evaluate a story I also look at components like style, consistency, coherence, and writing techniques. FF14 has great ideas and themes but the execution is particularly bad, especially in Endwalker. I'm sure I'm not the only one who raised an eyebrow at the writing just as something important is happening in the story. It sometimes also feels particularly childish though I'm not sure if it's intended (like the whole Loporrits segment right as we defeat Zodiark). Really for me I go through the MSQ just to witness the best parts and ideas of the story despite the bad writing and filler.