We have officially reached maintenance....

[hunkygladiator]

I agree. But to some this is a good thing. As a huge fan of games like the tell tale series, an RPGMMO is right down my alley. The MSQ of this game felt like an interactive story with occasional multiplayer more than it felt like a "game." It's part of the core of what makes this game successful for me and others like me. "How little combat" there is, as you put it, is a feature not a bug. But I respect that not everyone wants this. I believe those folks would be better served by an MMORPG that caters more to their playstyle. Less story, more combat, more raids more pvp, hmm I can think of many.

Other mmo's are games that you play. FFXIV is unapologetically a world to live in, and Im here for it.

Then why not play the dozens of single player games with far better story. FF14's story isn't even that good. It's only good within MMOs.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Then why not play the dozens of single player games with far better story. FF14's story isn't even that good. It's only good within MMOs.

Because there are many, many social aspects of FFXIV that I enjoy and could not get from a single player or even multiplayer lobby game. To me, logging into a game and seeing many of the same names in the same places day in and day out for months sometimes as I do my in game walks is still quite precious to me, and in fact nothing short of amazing. To always meet new people and hit them with a dote or a wave and have it returned with a "how have you been? learn any new bard music lately? hows your SO doing?" I feel like I am actually part of a small town in an age where community is largely dead in most other MMO'.s. It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

Either way, I disagree about the story. I thought ARR was a fine intro to the characters and world. Heavensward story was a master piece. Stormblood was meh. Shadowbringers, to me, is my favorite story in any form of media period. The characters and story spoketo me on a very personal level. Forgiveness. Redemption. Themes that I needed at a time in my life when i really needed them. Im okay with it if others do not agree. It doesn't detract from my joy of the story at all. Endwalker was pretty good too but it's very much the Return of the Jedi for me. It did what it needed to do but its no Shadowbringers.

[Nizzi]

I feel like I am actually part of a small town in an age where community is largely dead in most other MMO'.s. It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

This is so funny to me because it perfectly illustrates how you literally don't even understand what you're arguing against or defending papa Yoshi and XIV against, you just feel the compulsive need to do it no matter what.

My main character is on Balmung, and I've been on there since before your WoW streamer e-daddies released you from your 15+ year old shackles and told you to come play this game. Everything that you listed existed before now, and existed simultaneously while the developers were giving us things like Eureka, Bozja or other content that encouraged the community to work together, communicate and actually play the game together. None of this will prevent you from pretending you are your XIV character as you modbeast, send tells asking other players to break ToS with you by swapping Mare codes and doing /beesknees in a totally not ERP venue in the Mist somewhere.

[Saraide]

This is so funny to me because it perfectly illustrates how you literally don't even understand what you're arguing against or defending papa Yoshi and XIV against, you just feel the compulsive need to do it no matter what.

My main character is on Balmung, and I've been on there since before your WoW streamer e-daddies released you from your 15+ year old shackles and told you to come play this game. Everything that you listed existed before now, and existed simultaneously while the developers were giving us things like Eureka, Bozja or other content that encouraged the community to work together, communicate and actually play the game together. None of this will prevent you from pretending you are your XIV character as you modbeast, send tells asking other players to break ToS with you by swapping Mare codes and doing /beesknees in a totally not ERP venue in the Mist somewhere.

Woah, back in my day we just called people white knights and left it at that.

[hunkygladiator]

Because there are many, many social aspects of FFXIV that I enjoy and could not get from a single player or even multiplayer lobby game. To me, logging into a game and seeing many of the same names in the same places day in and day out for months sometimes as I do my in game walks is still quite precious to me, and in fact nothing short of amazing. To always meet new people and hit them with a dote or a wave and have it returned with a "how have you been? learn any new bard music lately? hows your SO doing?" I feel like I am actually part of a small town in an age where community is largely dead in most other MMO'.s. It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

Either way, I disagree about the story. I thought ARR was a fine intro to the characters and world. Heavensward story was a master piece. Stormblood was meh. Shadowbringers, to me, is my favorite story in any form of media period. The characters and story spoketo me on a very personal level. Forgiveness. Redemption. Themes that I needed at a time in my life when i really needed them. Im okay with it if others do not agree. It doesn't detract from my joy of the story at all. Endwalker was pretty good too but it's very much the Return of the Jedi for me. It did what it needed to do but its no Shadowbringers.

I know it's subjective but FF14's story is not that sophisticated. It isn't really that profound. Endwalker was actually one of the best stories in terms of themes, especially in Ultima Thule, but it's just constantly marred by fanservice and fanfiction-tier writing. Sure, the themes of FF14 are great, but the writing and character development just do not match. When I evaluate a story I also look at components like style, consistency, coherence, and writing techniques. FF14 has great ideas and themes but the execution is particularly bad, especially in Endwalker. I'm sure I'm not the only one who raised an eyebrow at the writing just as something important is happening in the story. It sometimes also feels particularly childish though I'm not sure if it's intended (like the whole Loporrits segment right as we defeat Zodiark). Really for me I go through the MSQ just to witness the best parts and ideas of the story despite the bad writing and filler.

[Zsavooz]

I know it's subjective but FF14's story is not that sophisticated. It isn't really that profound. Endwalker was actually one of the best stories in terms of themes, especially in Ultima Thule, but it's just constantly marred by fanservice and fanfiction-tier writing. Sure, the themes of FF14 are great, but the writing and character development just do not match. When I evaluate a story I also look at components like style, consistency, coherence, and writing techniques. FF14 has great ideas and themes but the execution is particularly bad, especially in Endwalker. I'm sure I'm not the only one who raised an eyebrow at the writing just as something important is happening in the story. It sometimes also feels particularly childish though I'm not sure if it's intended (like the whole Loporrits segment right as we defeat Zodiark). Really for me I go through the MSQ just to witness the best parts and ideas of the story despite the bad writing and filler.

it's actually pretty bad.

[Elissar]

I know it's subjective but FF14's story is not that sophisticated...

Personally i think our MSQ is not bad. Easily top 3 of all MMORPGs. My only disappointment happened in Stormblood...i was expecting huge, epic battles but we had little of it at the end lol

I saw a fan made video that captured the spirit of Stormblood better than the game itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j29NcLaU2Bc


Time travel, permanent death and similar stuff is complicated to deal with and not everyone is capable to do in theory or practice..Shadowlands is a good example of how you should not do it. As i said here... i would not change anything in terms of story telling or ambient.

[R041]

It's very special to me so I fight hard against things that I think would be to the deteriment of the community.

(Moves in, throws out all our shit) "That's much better.." (Idles in Limsa)

"Hey so did you all watch the animu I was talking about the other day?"
"Jenova: [RP] [18+] XOXOXOXOX CLUB BOOTY BUTTS XOXOXOXOX | TONIGHT 8PM - 2AM EST FEATURING DANCING BOOTY AND THE BOOTY SHAKERS | CORT, ROLEPLAY, PILLOWTALK, GAMBA | DISCORD.gg/BOOTYBUTTS"

[Xaruko_Nexume]

(Moves in, throws out all our shit) "That's much better.." (Idles in Limsa)

"Hey so did you all watch the animu I was talking about the other day?"
"Jenova: [RP] [18+] XOXOXOXOX CLUB BOOTY BUTTS XOXOXOXOX | TONIGHT 8PM - 2AM EST FEATURING DANCING BOOTY AND THE BOOTY SHAKERS | CORT, ROLEPLAY, PILLOWTALK, GAMBA | DISCORD.gg/BOOTYBUTTS"

I idle in Gridania, thanks.