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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    please they dont have money, they cant even fix housing after so many years, please send some money to yoshi p, make a gofundme or something so we can send poor square enix some money

    100000€ = 1 ward of housing per world guys
    It's even more frustrating when looking at how The Elder Scrolls Online handles its own housing system. For starters, every house purchased is account bound and comes in a variety of sizes and styles. Once purchased, the owner can take a break for months or even years and return to the game to find everything perfectly intact.

    A stark contrast to the unfortunate decision to rid people of their houses if they dare to take a break from the game for longer than 45 days at a time without logging on.

    Even WoW, with its garrisons - which admittedly aren't player housing as such - takes a similar approach. You can take a break for years and return to find the garrison exactly how it was left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's even more frustrating when looking at how The Elder Scrolls Online handles its own housing system. For starters, every house purchased is account bound and comes in a variety of sizes and styles. Once purchased, the owner can take a break for months or even years and return to the game to find everything perfectly intact.

    A stark contrast to the unfortunate decision to rid people of their houses if they dare to take a break from the game for longer than 45 days at a time without logging on.

    Even WoW, with its garrisons - which admittedly aren't player housing as such - takes a similar approach. You can take a break for years and return to find the garrison exactly how it was left.
    Let's just be honest here, if they wanted to fix housing, they could, they'd rather not to. And why would they ? As long as it's not "fixed", they can force in auto demo, which forces people to subscribe every month, and if they dont, they'll lose their house after 45 days, and possibly have to bid for years to come to get another one, let alone get a large house if they already had one.

    This is all about the money, they dont care about housing one bit, but they know how to milk the money from it, and its a success because it works
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  3. #353
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Let's just be honest here, if they wanted to fix housing, they could, they'd rather not to. And why would they ? As long as it's not "fixed", they can force in auto demo, which forces people to subscribe every month, and if they dont, they'll lose their house after 45 days, and possibly have to bid for years to come to get another one, let alone get a large house if they already had one.

    This is all about the money, they dont care about housing one bit, but they know how to milk the money from it, and its a success because it works
    Oh, I don't disagree. I'm lucky enough to own a large house myself so contrary to what some like to imply it isn't just 'jealousy' that drives criticism of the housing system. Yoshi-P seems to stubbornly insists on clinging to the 'neighbourhood feel' as justification for its current implementation but I do suspect your own outlined reasoning is the true cause. The memory used for apartments and island sanctuary could easily have been used to implement personal housing as a compromise.

    That being said, given how unlikely it is for someone to regain a lost medium or large house I suspect a decent chunk of people losing them don't bother subscribing to the game again out of frustration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Oh, I don't disagree. I'm lucky enough to own a large house myself so contrary to what some like to imply it isn't just 'jealousy' that drives criticism of the housing system. Yoshi-P seems to stubbornly insists on clinging to the 'neighbourhood feel' as justification for its current implementation but I do suspect your own outlined reasoning is the true cause. The memory used for apartments and island sanctuary could easily have been used to implement personal housing as a compromise.

    That being said, given how unlikely it is for someone to regain a lost medium or large house I suspect a decent chunk of people losing them don't bother subscribing to the game again out of frustration.
    I agree, I assume most people that care about housing, after losing their favorite plots will just end up quitting the game all together, except if they really have a lot of friends keeping them in the game or perhaps a partner that wants to keep playing the game, but aside from those reasons yeah the best solution is to quit because you'll bang your head agaisnt a wall for years to get any large, let alone if you have a favorite one you want
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I think you are attributing those people far more influence than they actually have.
    They were collectively loud enough and that's how changes were implemented.
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    to get any large
    I have a small on the Goblet, no competition when I bid either..and theres plenty left. So...yes there are housing plots available..you just dont want them.

    A house is a house, not so?

    That being said, given how unlikely it is for someone to regain a lost medium or large house I suspect a decent chunk of people losing them don't bother subscribing to the game again out of frustration.
    Thats on them then, not on the game. I had a small personal on Kujata, Kallor Cottage, now I have an FC small in literally the same plot as the original. Its still a house, it still has a workshop and its still my home on Kujata...before you comment...look at it this way.

    50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Noticing abnormally high likes in this thread, the kind we don't get in general discussion in a thread like this. I sense a certain negative nancy has brought his posse. And I really only say that because when the threads devolve to this point, likes do not really accrue in THOSE numbers.
    Allow me to offer an alternative explanation. An expansion's worth of decline in all aspects of the game has displeased and driven out much of the playerbase. My friends have since moved on and are unlikely to ever return after Endwalker's poor showing and I was surprised that Theodric took the time to voice his thoughts here again after what looked to be an indefinite absence.

    Of the players that remain there are those who wish to see improvements. It isn't unreasonable to suggest that they have grown frustrated due to the same individuals employing tactics that hinder discussion of issues that have arisen this expansion. There has been far too much baseless speculation for my taste anyway, and not enough done by whoever is in charge these days to course correct.

    The pillars that held this game up came crashing down one after another after a wrecking ball was taken straight to each. At least even in times of content drought we had the promise of a great story, but now this is what the public thinks of the game after I explained how fully off the rails the writing became in 6.0. Shockingly, those of us who were here mistakenly believing we were going to get a satisfying conclusion and were averse to plots that went full anime nonsense weren't pleased by a certain pair of characters that were singled out as writers favorites.

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    An expansion's worth of decline in all aspects of the game has displeased and driven out much of the playerbase.
    [ Citation , proof , sources required ]

    Of the players that remain there are those who wish to see improvements
    ..that are vague, unrealistic or utterly absurd.

    There has been far too much baseless speculation for my taste anyway, and not enough done by whoever is in charge these days to course correct.
    According to you and you alone.

    The pillars that held this game up came crashing down one after another after a wrecking ball was taken straight to each
    Hyperbole. Exaggeration. Ridiculous over statement.

    but now this is what the public thinks of the game after I explained how fully off the rails the writing became in 6.0
    [ Sources requested in detail, in specific and in depth ]

    Shockingly, those of us who were here mistakenly believing we were going to get a satisfying conclusion and were averse to plots that went full anime nonsense weren't pleased by a certain pair of characters that were singled out as writers favorites.
    Quoting some unnamed, unsourced, unknown, unverifiable screenshot of an absurd, undated and unidentifiable alleged mobile conversation.

    Semantic content: Zero
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    Man, are people still trying to pretend the game is fine as-is? Seriously? Good hell, folks. It ain't that hard to admit a product has some problems. It's not a personal attack on your honor or whatever.
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    Man, are people still trying to pretend the game is fine as-is? Seriously? Good hell, folks. It ain't that hard to admit a product has some problems. It's not a personal attack on your honor or whatever.
    Okay: lets hear your specific and workeable solutions. In detail.
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