This game is on a terrible state right now.

[NekiUno]

If Yoship cannot even be bothered to play content as riveting as Island Sanctuary himself, as he has stated per his own words he hasn't touched it on his personal account, then I see no reason as to why I should subject myself to it before I can criticize something with flaws that glaringly obvious.

The same goes for many other things.

Then you dont have to! Nobody forcing you to do Island Sanctuary and it will not affected me any way, shape and form but before you want to criticize the heck out it, just explain the reason why you don't want to it or don't say nothing at all.

At the end of the day, we can give opinions about what you should do or why we like or dont like this but the customer that is paying 12 - 16 per month is the final say and they will come up with their own opinion (FYI I like Island Sanctuary because it remind me of that stupid isle on the MOP that I can enjoyed plus I like farming sims)

[R041]

Then you dont have to! Nobody forcing you to do Island Sanctuary and it will not affected me any way, shape and form but before you want to criticize the heck out it, just explain the reason why you don't want to it or don't say nothing at all.

At the end of the day, we can give opinions about what you should do or why we like or dont like this but the customer that is paying 12 - 16 per month is the final say and they will come up with their own opinion (FYI I like Island Sanctuary because it remind me of that stupid isle on the MOP that I can enjoyed plus I like farming sims)

Not many people care that Island Sanctuary itself exists, I've finished it, I have the bike, all glam.. I can give you a full list of changes I want for it..

But the ultimate issue is that it took away something monumental for the coop casual community, and that was Exploratory Missions. Something you can properly play as a multiplayer game, something that forces us to communicate as a community while actively engaging in the content, unlike most things we've been getting. So instead of getting that, we got the complete opposite - A quick single-player grind AFK mini-game. So it's no better than giving us Fashion Report again.

They can't even give us anything to go out into the world for, or any reason to really interact with each other this expac. I got to play Variant with my FC for 1 day. 1. day.

I'd LOVE to have just anything dynamic and engaging. Give me a new system similar to Wondrous Tails or something. Give me a system that forces me to Sync content, instead of encouraging everyone to single-player unsync all content.

Like what if they made a new Wondrous, but for Hildibrand and tied that to the new Relic and more random rewards. So you can do it for Relic or rewards. Then it pushes you to sync content somewhere.

I want a reason to coop that doesn't require either: Braindead Lv50 Dungeons with Sprouts or Joining a Static to get yelled at and being forced to schedule my playtime.

[Incinerator2]

I suppose it would add a degree of self-satisfaction to learning it, but when you got to a certain point the end result was guaranteed regardless of how much you necked your stats, which does also remove some of that thrill with doing experts in the first place. I would be curious to see how it would hold in actuality, but I still think it would largely trivialize the recipes. Trained Hand under innovation and ingenuity back when that was a thing was absolutely busted.

Sure, but they could easily just double the quality requirement or some such to make it not trivialized, and further add optimization room by incentivizing low step crafts so that most players won't ever reach a place of perfection. That self-satisfaction is the most important part of gameplay. It's the same satisfaction when people master Dark Souls and defeat endgame bosses with ease, when just a month ago they were struggling with the a regular mob. Obviously everything will be eventually solved, but right now the time to solution is literally negative hours as rotations are figured out before patch is even live.

However, I would say there’s a good number of people in the community that whilst they may want something engaging don’t necessarily want the territory that comes with it[/B]

I unironically think the drama that ensues is good for the game. It's content and it makes the game memorable. And interpersonal conflict is also just part of life. It's not something to shy away from. I like Eureka in part because of the drama. It's also super low-stakes drama, so really it's just like watching reality TV. FF14 now is way too sanitized and dull. I don't mean drama like transphobia or stalking someone though. I just meant the drama of AFK leechers vs. spawners with people quarreling in chat. The game really felt rowdy and alive back then.

I know most players today wouldn't want that though, but I also enjoyed looking at the meltdown that occurs when people wipe again and again to Ozma. It was memorable. And these negative events make actual clears and smooth runs feel even sweeter.

I suppose what I’m trying to convey here is… The question shouldn’t be “Why haven’t we got xyz this expansion” (e.g., Deep Dungeons), because this is precisely why we got Orthos.[/B]

Sure. And now people are asking for exploratory content too. So as a community we need to be clear that we want exploratory content that is better and contains new gameplay, not just a pure copypaste.

IMO, the game's biggest downfall (and SE's, by extension), is that they leave content to die. I think Resistance relics wouldn't be so badly designed had they planned to come back to the content; they don't, so here we (and Eureka relics too) are, never to return. Relics honestly just seemed design to fail, no matter what you do, because essentially the grind is gated behind content you need outside help for (Bozja, SB), the grind is tedious to point of nauseous (ARR, HW) or we're here at EW, where the steps so far is just.. play the game and you get the relic, so the sense of reward isn't really there. I actually think I would like SB/Bozja relics, but if and ONLY if, SE would actually give it the TLC it deserves.

I think they have potential, but I don't think SE can utilize the potential or have the desire to, so here we are. It's really sad because I think SE CAN make a good relic grind, but have just kinda thrown in the towel at this point.. at least IMO.

We didn't even get a proper ending to the Bozjan storyline smh SE

It feels like it all amounts to synthetic difficulty in order to counterbalance the inability to be mechanically creative. Gods, even Eureka orthos everything is literally 1hit KO. Stop this. It's dumb. I'm tired of this inanity. Sometimes simpler is better, SE.

Yeah, I stopped raiding after DSR for this reason. It's especially bad for healers. I remember in UCOB when you can completely screw up a trio but salvage the party by thinking calmly and triaging the party, ensuring the tank survives the tankbuster, making sure DPS are up in time for the mechanic, conserving mana etc. so that you live to see the next trio, even if you don't necessarily clear the enrage. I haven't played healer in a while but this just doesn't seem to be a thing at all in EW now.

[Incinerator2]

Constructive feedback is fine, in fact it is very necessarily in anything we do from going for new job or improving this game, both in the sense of your own gameplay to all of the things they added thought out the years...as long you actually did the content for it

I know you did not mention me but I would just like to say that this line of questioning has been directed at so many people, many of whom have actually engaged with a lot of content. Like ForteNightshade.

There is a huge middle ground between being a Limsa AFKer who didn't even do the MSQ and being rank 1 on lalachievements. It's fair to want people to do the content to actually critique that particular piece of content, but I also don't think it's fair for many people (not you) to suggest that if you haven't done XYZ(*) you shouldn't talk about the game as a whole. That's an obvious cop-out that everyone can see. It's a shady way to dismiss the other person's opinion.

(*)XYZ = Farm 50,000 leves, clear PotD, HoH, Orthos solo, clear all Ultimates, level all jobs to 90

If XYZ is something like:

have four or five Lv90 jobs, preferably in each role, before you talk about job balance;
have an Ultimate or at least a Savage clear, before you talk about high-end encounter design or the raiding scene;
be a Hunter Wolf or at least Diamond, before you talk about the prevalence of wintrading on the Feast leaderboards;
have all crafters at Lv90, before you talk about the economy of endgame gear;
etc.

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole. I think if you've tried maybe half the new content every patch you more than deserved the right to criticize the game as a whole.

That isn't to say everyone's opinions have equal value. The amount of posts on the prevalence of wintrading, hacking etc. on the Feast leaderboards when we literally never saw these posters in Plat/Diamond back in ShB gave me an aneurysm.

[R041]

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole.

Oh you're bored? Well do you even have a whole Ward of houses? Did you even decorate them all? Do you even have 999,999,999 gil?

[Ath192]

Oh you're bored? Well do you even have a whole Ward of houses? Did you even decorate them all? Do you even have 999,999,999 gil?

The worst part is that the same people who come on here to defend SE at all costs and attack people actively providing feedback would be all over the new content if SE did release it despite their best efforts to attack the people requesting it. They are too dense to understand they aren't just trying to work against the requesters, but they are actively harming themselves in the process.

But hey, as long as they played contrarian and looked like the biggest white knight in the room I guess its worth it.

[aveyond-dreams]

Every suggestion for change is taken by them as an offense unless it is explicitly sanctioned by Yoship, it seems.

[NekiUno]

I know you did not mention me but I would just like to say that this line of questioning has been directed at so many people, many of whom have actually engaged with a lot of content. Like ForteNightshade.

There is a huge middle ground between being a Limsa AFKer who didn't even do the MSQ and being rank 1 on lalachievements. It's fair to want people to do the content to actually critique that particular piece of content, but I also don't think it's fair for many people (not you) to suggest that if you haven't done XYZ(*) you shouldn't talk about the game as a whole. That's an obvious cop-out that everyone can see. It's a shady way to dismiss the other person's opinion.

(*)XYZ = Farm 50,000 leves, clear PotD, HoH, Orthos solo, clear all Ultimates, level all jobs to 90

If XYZ is something like:

have four or five Lv90 jobs, preferably in each role, before you talk about job balance;
have an Ultimate or at least a Savage clear, before you talk about high-end encounter design or the raiding scene;
be a Hunter Wolf or at least Diamond, before you talk about the prevalence of wintrading on the Feast leaderboards;
have all crafters at Lv90, before you talk about the economy of endgame gear;
etc.

I think people will be far more amenable to the criticisms. But right now so many posts are just dumping a laundry list of possible grinds one could engage in to dismiss criticisms of the lack of the game's content as a whole. I think if you've tried maybe half the new content every patch you more than deserved the right to criticize the game as a whole.

That isn't to say everyone's opinions have equal value. The amount of posts on the prevalence of wintrading, hacking etc. on the Feast leaderboards when we literally never saw these posters in Plat/Diamond back in ShB gave me an aneurysm.

If you feel like I offended you in any way, I apologize for that. I do not try to single any one person out but I try look at things at a wider view than others (been down this road for a very long time) but I am not that smart at all, so bear with me. But I think it should be up to each player who logs into this game to make their own opinion about the systems that is on there. Incinerator2, I understand your point of view and you are right in a way, but you are thinking I was talking about those who plays hours and hours, but I was looking at those who just try it one time and did not like it.

At the end of the day, Constructive criticisms and feedback is very important for information and improvements even if you did it 1000 times or just one time. Information like that can help improved system and way of life for not benefiting only us as the customer and gamers but also for the developers and invertors as well. This game has alot of flaws and alot of stuff they can improved but it will take time and patience from us and from them. Besides these types of conversions that make this game special because we all care for it and want it to succeed.

@R041, I love those ideas and I think they can do something like that with all of the other content and make them relevant again.... like Class gear and glamour (Let me stop or I be writing a 10 essay about the glamour system and why they need to unleash it)

[Tulvi]

...we'd have a decent expansion instead of one that has caused this much disappointment across all sectors of the playerbase.

Respectfully, speak for yourself and don’t push your opinion on everyone. I have 0 problems with the state of the game, 0 problems with Endwalker, and I wouldn’t change a single thing about it. I play it daily for hours and always have something to do.

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Even back then, we'd still have nothing to do once we were done with the MSQ, finished Savage, and completed side content like beast tribe stuff.

If anything, there's more to do now thanks to the Ultimates. The vast majority of the "playerbase" still focus on the social aspects of the game.

I'd love to do savage but I am not trusting 7 other randoms to do it with. Plus with how the community is very clique based it is hard to meet new people