The Healers should be reworked? New player perspective.

[ASkellington]

Seriously, what entirely is so wrong with having a healer designed to be easy to heal with and easy to do damage with when healing is not required? You know [b]like how WHM is right now; easy to heal with and easy to do damage with when healing is not required[b].

Because WHM's current design, the one YOU want to keep

DOES NOT FIT THIS GAME.

It has too many healing tools same as the other ones, and can trade that in for other skills.

Other skills that are just as easy to use along with Glare and Misery.

LIKE I HAVE BEEN ASKING AND YOU KEEP SAYING "NO LEAVE IT ALONE"

To make it as crystal clear as possible because it seems like no matter HOW MANY TIMES I have to repeat myself to you, what I want is for WHM to remain a SIMPLE HEALER while ALSO GAINING just as simple dps options so it isn't just a nuke and a DoT.

Same as every other healer.

Edit: Also hate to be that person but we aren't going to get a branching job because SE hates those like the plague. *rolls eyes* Personally I think they should just get over it and reintroduce it for the other classes.

[Renathras]

Nobody wants to hear about who's pegging who thanks

I'm gonna agree with Ren (shocking), and say we should make Druid the 'simple healer that has very small DPS button count'

Dw./..wha da..? o.O

I...I think you broke me here, Roe. O.o

lol

Okay, you gave me a laugh for that one. Liking this (you still should admit to being selfish, btw...)

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NOOOO, you asked a question. My answer is: I'm fine with a Healer designed to be easy to heal with and easy to do damage with - that's what WHM is RIGHT NOW.

Your question asked to you is that YOU are the one who sees something wrong with a Healer designed to be easy to heal with and easy to do damage with. In other words, your question applies to you, not to me.

Edit: Also hate to be that person but we aren't going to get a branching job because SE hates those like the plague. *rolls eyes* Personally I think they should just get over it and reintroduce it for the other classes.

Honestly, this is true.

Which is why the reality is, the Dev solution is likely to be leaving Healers as they are, or leaving WHM as it is and adding GEO/Druid as the complex version of it.

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EDIT: Though, let's be real: They aren't doing that, either.

I think 7.0 is going to be interesting. We have to see what the AST rework is. That will probably dictate the direction they want to take Healers in, or even IF they're willing to take ONE Healer Job in a more complex direction.

I suspect not, but that's really going to be what tells us their plans.


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EDIT2: Though...it kinda gives me an idea. You guys are going to hate it, though. But...what if...

Let's see if I've reached my post limit for the day or if I can post a new thread on the topic...

[ty_taurus]

Okay, you gave me a laugh for that one. Liking this (you still should admit to being selfish, btw...)

I shouldn't do jack.

What happened was I skimmed your post cause it was longer than my college thesis. All you could've said before was, "oh, that works. But to make it more in line with the rest of the game, just add that as a job stone and call it "druid" or something."

But you're an ass for treating me like a dog over a misunderstanding.

[ForsakenRoe]

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I...I think you broke me here, Roe. O.o

Ich kann ein bisschen deutsch sprechen. Not much though since I haven't bothered with it since high school 15 years ago. I know how to ask where the toilets are, and what your favorite color/subject is, and to say 'my badger is {color}'.

But yes, you two are ironically asking for the same thing. CNJ IS Druid (in the german localization).

edit: holy hell it's hard to do Island Sanctuary on a client language you can't understand, but I just want to mention that we got scammed on EN, the mammets have individual names in German. The Granary manager is called Kornelius for example

[Renathras]

I shouldn't do jack.

What happened was I skimmed your post cause it was longer than my college thesis. All you could've said before was, "oh, that works. But to make it more in line with the rest of the game, just add that as a job stone and call it "druid" or something."

But you're an ass for treating me like a dog over a misunderstanding.

I LITERALLY DID THIS.

SEVERAL TIMES.

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Also, I didn't "treat you like a dog". Firstly, I don't have a dog. Secondly, the only thing I do with dogs generally is pet them or hug them. Some friends of mine have a super nice dog that I give walks to when they're gone and she's such a good dog, she gets all the pets and pats and huggles.

You lied about what I proposed.
You lied about what I want.
You kept doing it after I said it wasn't what I want.

That's what being an ass is.

If it was a genuine misunderstanding, all you had to do was say "Oh, I get you. Yeah, that's fair.", and that would have been the end of it. The only reason I even got cross with you was because you kept doubling down.

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Look Ty, we do this too much.

If you ever don't understand what I'm saying or it's too long, just ask for a summary instead of assuming it's the worst case scenario possible, leading to me calling you out over it and then you acting offended to save face afterwords.

edit: holy hell it's hard to do Island Sanctuary on a client language you can't understand, but I just want to mention that we got scammed on EN, the mammets have individual names in German. The Granary manager is called Kornelius for example

Wait...what?

That's not cool! Not cool at all!

I mean...it's cool THEY get it, but not cool we got scammed!

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EDIT:

No, my question was...

I can only go with what you typed, man.

And what you typed was my position: What's so wrong with having a Healer that is designed to be simple to heal with and simple to DPS with - like WHM is right now?

You can argue it doesn't fit the game, but it fits it fine, you just don't like it. It's viable, it works, etc etc. You don't like how it does those things, but that's not the same as it not doing those things.

What's so wrong with a Healer with a 5 button DPS system that a 6 button DPS system somehow solves? Why can't we keep the 5 button system? And no, it's not that it doesn't work - because it does. Why draw that arbitrary line around "It needs one more DoT"?

Anyway, the question is mine, not yours: I'm not the one who has a problem with a Healer designed to be simple to heal with and simple to DPS with. In fact, that's what I like and what I want. It's you that wants to change that/has a problem with it.

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EDIT: Going to save posts for today:

I didn't lie.

I didn't read most of it. There's a difference.

When I told you - over and over - that wasn't what I wanted and you said it was: That was a lie.
(And you KNOW it was, because I've offered to give up anything multiple times before, and I've even chastised you for selfishness before for not being able to give up even one, contrasting with me being willing to give up any three.)

When you insisted I wasn't willing to give anything up: That was a lie.

When you said that I wanted WHM for myself: That was a lie

When you said I wanted that and say no one can speak for changing it: That was a lie.

When you said I opposed SGE being made the easy Healer: That was a lie.
Worse: That was YOUR position, not mine, that SGE could not be the easy one. YOUR position in the past has been that SGE in lore was supposed to be gigabrain and have these hard to use Nouliths, so it shouldn't be the easy Healer. That was YOUR position to COUNTER me when I suggested SGE as the second choice for easy Healer, which I suggested since people like Roe want WHM's aesthetic and since unlike SCH, SGE has never existed in a different form, so it wouldn't require anyone sacrificing anything (other than "not getting SGE, too" levels of selfishness), whereas SCH being the easy one would require the past SCHs who liked the more complex version to give that up. SGE, on the other hand, has never BEEN complex.

Those are several lies you should know the answer to because we've discussed these issues before. That last one was even in the post you were replying to. And even if you didn't read it, you were speaking about what you thought my position was from a previous discussion (several, actually) where I actually took up the OPPOSITE position and where that was YOUR position, not mine; YOUR position to COUNTER mine - so you shouldn't have even brought it up if you remembered it wrong. "I didn't read these posts" is no excuse for you referencing PRIOR posts that you SUPPOSEDLY DID read, and lying about THOSE instead.

You may not have read the specific proposal here, but after 2-3 posts of back and forth of me telling you you weren't addressing what I was saying, you should have stopped to read my post or asked for a summary. You certainly shouldn't reply to a post you haven't read with a rebuttal, because that makes the person you're responding to THINK YOU READ IT, since your response is a rebuttal against it. Your reply in that case should have been "Can you give me a summary version of what you're proposing?", not a rebuttal to a proposal you now say you didn't even read before trying to counter.

[ASkellington]

NOOOO, you asked a question. My answer is: I'm fine with a Healer designed to be easy to heal with and easy to do damage with - that's what WHM is RIGHT NOW.

Your question asked to you is that YOU are the one who sees something wrong with a Healer designed to be easy to heal with and easy to do damage with. In other words, your question applies to you, not to me.

No, my question was with in the lines of "WHM is simple for the new healer" why are you so against it GROWING MORE with that idea?

As for AST I sincerely pray if they screw up the rework, they get roasted. Its not going to happen, but they would deserve it at that point.