Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[ForsakenRoe]

Forgive the weird formatting, crossposting from 'the other FemHroth thread'

Apparently lionesses can grow manes if their hormones shift. Wild, huh. Anyway, if Hrothgar are based on Big Cats (and they are), it stands to reason that they should have a similar level of dimorphism to the Big Cats they are based on, surely? This picture and a previous one in the thread show that the main source of dimorphism in lions at least is the mane. The muscles of the lioness are leaner, sleeker, but she's still very strong so as to aid in hunting. So... male/female Roegadyn dimorphism. Also:

And I have no idea how they did it, but they managed to make an animated one too.

Again, see the examples of the hackjob mod some unethical player made, being put on a femroe body (by a friend, I do not mod or condone modding) instead of the mi'qote body the modder slapped the face on (seriously, why did they put it on a mi'qote it's like they wanted to make it look ugly as hell). And if anyone can say, hand on heart, that they prefer the race in the below pictures, aesthetically speaking, to the femroe-examples, I'll be shocked and slightly confused:

It's interesting to see how the others imagine how they see them already.

So yeh. I'd want option 1 from the graph, and would reluctantly say 'ok fine i guess' to option 2. As others have said, ideally we'd have both as different clans, but they stopped doing clan differences after... well, ARR. The two clans of Au Ra could have been 'short dainty' for one, and 'the infamous concept art' style fearsome warrior demon-succubus looking for the other. Instead they're direct palleteswaps

Anyone who is asking for option 3, you can find this thing called 'Phial of Fantasia' on the Mogstation, and it lets you select a race called 'Mi'qote' on the character creation menu, I'd advise trying that

[Pip_Chick]

Forgive the weird formatting, crossposting from 'the other FemHroth thread'



Apparently lionesses can grow manes if their hormones shift. Wild, huh. Anyway, if Hrothgar are based on Big Cats (and they are), it stands to reason that they should have a similar level of dimorphism to the Big Cats they are based on, surely? This picture and a previous one in the thread show that the main source of dimorphism in lions at least is the mane. The muscles of the lioness are leaner, sleeker, but she's still very strong so as to aid in hunting. So... male/female Roegadyn dimorphism. Also:



Again, see the examples of the hackjob mod some unethical player made, being put on a femroe body (by a friend, I do not mod or condone modding) instead of the mi'qote body the modder slapped the face on (seriously, why did they put it on a mi'qote it's like they wanted to make it look ugly as hell). And if anyone can say, hand on heart, that they prefer the race in the below pictures, aesthetically speaking, to the femroe-examples, I'll be shocked and slightly confused:





So yeh. I'd want option 1 from the graph, and would reluctantly say 'ok fine i guess' to option 2. As others have said, ideally we'd have both as different clans, but they stopped doing clan differences after... well, ARR. The two clans of Au Ra could have been 'short dainty' for one, and 'the infamous concept art' style fearsome warrior demon-succubus looking for the other. Instead they're direct palleteswaps

Anyone who is asking for option 3, you can find this thing called 'Phial of Fantasia' on the Mogstation, and it lets you select a race called 'Mi'qote' on the character creation menu, I'd advise trying that

Oh, I remember seeing that m*d on Twitter and some pages ago. Yep... still ugly af, still a big nope from me. I want a good counterpart for the males. This, this Miquostrosity ain't it!

[ejunniim]

Apparently lionesses can grow manes if their hormones shift. Wild, huh. Anyway, if Hrothgar are based on Big Cats (and they are), it stands to reason that they should have a similar level of dimorphism to the Big Cats they are based on, surely? This picture and a previous one in the thread show that the main source of dimorphism in lions at least is the mane. The muscles of the lioness are leaner, sleeker, but she's still very strong so as to aid in hunting. So... male/female Roegadyn dimorphism. Also:

SHEESH. Now THIS closest to what I imagine myself, when think about it (gif with gunbreaker, sorry, dunno how to quote this part correctly). Just look at it. Still fairly solidly built, as it should be, at least logically, and looks right in motion.
If you ask me, believe to get even more than we expect. I believe that the atmosphere of race will be preserved, even if not everyone likes it. Firstly, because you have to be blind not to notice how devs are trying to overcome the barriers built up by game development over the years, secondly, because if SE unanimously supported only one way to say "this is beautiful", we there would be no ronso, burmecians and many other "beast-looking" characters. Come on. Go ahead and say you don't like Freya, my dude.

[Pip_Chick]

SHEESH. Now THIS closest to what I imagine myself, when think about it (gif with gunbreaker, sorry, dunno how to quote this part correctly). Just look at it. Still fairly solidly built, as it should be, at least logically, and looks right in motion.
If you ask me, believe to get even more than we expect. I believe that the atmosphere of race will be preserved, even if not everyone likes it. Firstly, because you have to be blind not to notice how devs are trying to overcome the barriers built up by game development over the years, secondly, because if SE unanimously supported only one way to say "this is beautiful", we there would be no ronso, burmecians and many other "beast-looking" characters. Come on. Go ahead and say you don't like Freya, my dude.

The person who made this m*d purposely used a female Miquo'te model as a base when I think they would have been far better off using a female Roe base. Not only because in the mural they are shown to be slightly shorter than a female Roe but they also used a Female Roe as a stand-in for the Hrothgar queen. But also for the body proportions to not look so jarring. They used a male Hrothgar head which by default is quite round and large, paired with a small and slender neck giving a very fake look. To mitigate that, they should have slandered the head horizontally to make it a bit more petite to fit that specific proportion, or at least slender the jawline. This wouldn't have been necessary if they went with the female roe Body, which already has a more thick neck and base to make it look more seamless.

Here is what I mean:

This is the m*d with the Miquo'te base:



And this is a male Hrothgar head edited and placed on a fem Roe body:


by @nepenthed on Twitter
Can you see the difference? I much rather prefer the second, a fem Roe-modified model would be a perfect choice, a second option would be a female Highlander modified model.

[ForsakenRoe]

SHEESH. Now THIS closest to what I imagine myself, when think about it (gif with gunbreaker, sorry, dunno how to quote this part correctly).

You'd have to open the link, copy it, then when you're writing text here, select it and do 'insert link' (the globe icon) to add a hyperlink to the text. Like this. Shame MP4's don't work here, and converting it to a gif would likely kill the framerate

by @nepenthed on Twitter
Can you see the difference? I much rather prefer the second, a fem Roe-modified model would be a perfect choice, a second option would be a female Highlander modified model.

I'm love her

[ejunniim]

The person who made this m*d purposely used a female Miquo'te model as a base when I think they would have been far better off using a female Roe base.

Waaait a second, when I saw the video, I was sure that under Bozjan gear it is Roe's body type, and miqo's one only the last, with swim suit D: maybe bc of the top, since it's looks heavy. Dang. Now I feel a bit upset.

You'd have to open the link, copy it, then when you're writing text here, select it and do 'insert link' (the globe icon) to add a hyperlink to the text.

Gochu, my thanks <3

[TheMightyMollusk]

But again, no proof, just a head cannon.

[SassyAssassin]

And this is a male Hrothgar head edited and placed on a fem Roe body:


by @nepenthed on Twitter
Can you see the difference? I much rather prefer the second, a fem Roe-modified model would be a perfect choice, a second option would be a female Highlander modified model.

Honestly if a mod can achieve this then SE should not let us down, this is near perfect

[Pip_Chick]

Honestly if a mod can achieve this then SE should not let us down, this is near perfect

Don't let us down SE! We deserve good-looking lion women!

[ForsakenRoe]

Waaait a second, when I saw the video, I was sure that under Bozjan gear it is Roe's body type, and miqo's one only the last, with swim suit D: maybe bc of the top, since it's looks heavy. Dang. Now I feel a bit upset.

These are the m*d that puts the face on a Miqote body. Of all the gear to show off 'why you should use this' why did they choose a bikini it looks so bad when trying to appeal to coomers, and kinda 'not terrible actually' when you use actual gear

And I have no idea how they did it, but they managed to make an animated one too.

These are that same m*d's face work, but somehow put onto a Femroe body instead. So, the face is 'Miqote, with a m*d', the body from the neck down is 'unm*dded Femroe'. Notice the relative size of the character to other background stuff like the orchestrion.

Basically, the main reason the m*d looks weird is because the scale of the face is very jarring compared to the body and especially the neck. The pic posted by Pip has that issue sorted out pretty well (imo), with the much wider neck. If the friend who made the pics of the GNB Hroth-Roe were to take all the Bozjan gear off, I assume the point on the model where the head and the neck meet would be a horrendously ugly texture seam, as the two aren't meant to be put together. Or maybe not, IDK what they did to make it, my assumption is that they got two characters, set one to only render the head, one to render the body, and just positioned them in such a way that they lined up. IDK though, I'm a pure ethical christian player who does not m*d or use pl*gins or A*T or any such nasty things

edit: yes I'm posting the trans lioness pic again (or part of it, ignore the white space I'm not rescaling stuff)



The structure of the face is by and large quite similar. The lioness is a bit sleeker, 'thinner' maybe (not in terms of weight but just in terms of 'how wide from left to right', but for the most part it is very similar in shape to the male. So I don't see how it can be justified in any way that the females of a fantasy race based on these animals would look so much more humanlike in terms of facial structure compared to the males, outside of 'the devs were really lazy and just wanted to use the Femroe size option for helmets to save on doing additional work'