Stop waiting for cutscenes in alliance raids. We never did this in Stormblood.

[Hazama999]

Man, this brings me back to the 2.0 Castrum/Praetorium days.

My response is pretty much the same as it was back then:

I value the experience of any one new person over that of the rest of the group, who have likely run X or Y raid a bunch of times, so I'd rather wait.

[Taliriah]

Man, this brings me back to the 2.0 Castrum/Praetorium days.

My response is pretty much the same as it was back then:

I value the experience of any one new person over that of the rest of the group, who have likely run X or Y raid a bunch of times, so I'd rather wait.

This + it tells you which people are noobs so it can help with things like choosing dance partners etc
Also you can start making bets in your head about which of the cutscene watchers are going to die on mechanics (especially the super trollish ones like mustardio's analysis) and then laugh when they do

[VeyaAkemi]

I value the experience of any one new person over that of the rest of the group, who have likely run X or Y raid a bunch of times, so I'd rather wait.

This is the core of the issue to me right? we as society in general value things that can only be experienced once more than repeated experiences, and that's what makes cutscene watchers more valuable than everyone else.

Lemme paint a scenario, let's say you are somewhere you can't leave, like an office job, just doing routine things that don't exactly need full focus, and there are 5 people in there, there was this new super popular show that everyone has been watching, and 4 out of those 5 people have watched the show and are super excited about it, the 5th haven't because of time constraints and they still intend to watch it once they can, those 4 people want to discuss the show among themselves, but assuming they know of the 5th's situation, they will refrain from doing so, because they don't want to spoil the 5th's experience, you are unquestionably putting one person's enjoyment above the other four, but their first experience is considered intrinsically more valuable and thus it is respected.

This is the same for cutscenes, there are elements that get glossed over, a cutscene watcher may feel pressured in skipping the cutscene because the game notified them that the battle has started and that puts them in the mindset that they need to be there(personally, it took me a long time to train myself that if the battle starts, I should just sit that out until I am done), they may miss a few battle quotes that are part of the whole experience, they may want to take the entire fight in because that's part of the narrative, those are all elements that we respect because we respect first experiences more, and doing anything that may negatively impact that first experience is bad as a result, it's also the entire reason we have unskippable cutscenes in Praet, because the devs themselves are respecting the potential first experience more than everyone else's repeated experience.

[Xirean]

Lemme paint a scenario, let's say you are somewhere you can't leave, like an office job, just doing routine things that don't exactly need full focus, and there are 5 people in there, there was this new super popular show that everyone has been watching, and 4 out of those 5 people have watched the show and are super excited about it, the 5th haven't because of time constraints and they still intend to watch it once they can, those 4 people want to discuss the show among themselves, but assuming they know of the 5th's situation, they will refrain from doing so, because they don't want to spoil the 5th's experience, you are unquestionably putting one person's enjoyment above the other four, but their first experience is considered intrinsically more valuable and thus it is respected.

This is a very silly example. The four could simply ask that fifth person to put on headphones or they could discuss it in a different room or via some private text chat. This wouldn't effect the fifth person out at all and still allow them to have their discussion. Force starting the fight while someone is in a cutscene is different. As you said, it pressures them to skip the cutscene to actually enjoy the fight for their first time. These two scenarios are non comparable imo.

[kaynide]

This is a very silly example. The four could simply ask that fifth person to put on headphones or they could discuss it in a different room or via some private text chat. This wouldn't effect the fifth person out at all and still allow them to have their discussion. Force starting the fight while someone is in a cutscene is different. As you said, it pressures them to skip the cutscene to actually enjoy the fight for their first time. These two scenarios are non comparable imo.

I mean, sure, that specific example. But there's a reason why a teacher got their class to settle down by threatening spoilers for Game of Thrones worked. And other examples of other shows/movies like Endgame. And why the meme "too soon?" is a thing. Like it or not, there is a culture where spoiling or otherwise rushing someone to "do the thing because I already did it" is considered rude. And unfortunately in some cases SE has had to enforce watching because of rudeness.

Screen shots? I’m sure as you are an active participant in this conversation you’d see the relevance and think to save proof. Especially when using it as weight

Why would they need screenshots? It's not exactly rare for someone to do an auto-translate "excuse me... This is my first time" followed by others with a "/welcome New Adventurer!" or a "Standing by".

[Hurlstone]

Its just a few seconds most of the time. If you cannot be patient enough to let someone new enjoy the content of the game well... I dunno what to say. Just use that time to get ready for the battle, or do some cool emotes. And if you must be angry at someone, because once again it seems negativity trumps the idea of actually be considerate to other people, then be angry more at SE for adding longer scenes into combat raids.

[hunkygladiator]

This is the core of the issue to me right? we as society in general value things that can only be experienced once more than repeated experiences, and that's what makes cutscene watchers more valuable than everyone else.

Lemme paint a scenario, let's say you are somewhere you can't leave, like an office job, just doing routine things that don't exactly need full focus, and there are 5 people in there, there was this new super popular show that everyone has been watching, and 4 out of those 5 people have watched the show and are super excited about it, the 5th haven't because of time constraints and they still intend to watch it once they can, those 4 people want to discuss the show among themselves, but assuming they know of the 5th's situation, they will refrain from doing so, because they don't want to spoil the 5th's experience, you are unquestionably putting one person's enjoyment above the other four, but their first experience is considered intrinsically more valuable and thus it is respected.

This is the same for cutscenes, there are elements that get glossed over, a cutscene watcher may feel pressured in skipping the cutscene because the game notified them that the battle has started and that puts them in the mindset that they need to be there(personally, it took me a long time to train myself that if the battle starts, I should just sit that out until I am done), they may miss a few battle quotes that are part of the whole experience, they may want to take the entire fight in because that's part of the narrative, those are all elements that we respect because we respect first experiences more, and doing anything that may negatively impact that first experience is bad as a result, it's also the entire reason we have unskippable cutscenes in Praet, because the devs themselves are respecting the potential first experience more than everyone else's repeated experience.

Oh how we treasure the first experience of watching a monster shouting "RRAAAARRRAGHGHH" for 10 seconds