Yotsuyu's story is a masterful postcolonial feminist critique of female oppression

[SassyAssassin]

Speaking of French, what do you all think about the French vs English translation?

No idea, I can only say croissant oh la la

[Gemina]

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Since you're clearly an expert on the topic, tell me who the evil side is in every war in history. I'm especially curious about the ones where the good guys were the aggressors. It'll be easy for you since you've done your textbook diving and you know your stuff. Plus the post I've snipped shows you're more than willing to bash out a novel-length post on a forum for discussing an MMO.

I mean it's not like you're a liar, coward, or idiot who'll say something like "do your own research" or "I don't have time" or "you're clearly a troll" or some other form of deflection or refusal. You're not afraid to put your money where your mouth is, right?

Easy-peasy! Give me the list and you're clearly Good; fail and you're Evil.

You seem to be under the impression that the burden of proof lies on my shoulders. However, in order for ownership of that obligation to be mine, I would have to be making a claim instead of stating a fact. Now if I have to point out how worldwide known facts such as male and female oppression, slavery, slave trade, genocide, infanticide, assassinations, primae noctis, concentration camps, terrorism, fascism, and even religion itself are acts of evil that were the deliberate and main causes of war; you are absolutely correct. I don't have the time. You are clearly a troll, and do your own damn research.

What I well defend though is being called a coward. Do you honestly think I would come here and go against the grain and place myself in the heart of a hornets nest known as the FFXIV official forums if I was a coward? Also you state that you're especially curious, "Where the good guys were the aggressors." Dude, the good guys were almost always the aggressors.

How's that for you? Am I good, or am I evil. Lord knows that you have this right to deem me as such. So inform the echo chamber. We wouldn't want anyone getting the wrong impression, now would we?

[Gemina]

Well, based until this. This isn't quite true. War happens when multiple groups of people have a disagreement that cannot be solved via diplomacy. Generally this is with regards to two or more groups desiring the same resources.

Whether those resources are land, animals, oil, gold, or people just depends on which war we're talking about.

When I was in school, this is what they would have liked us to believe. However, the perceptive and the not-so-impressionable minds knew or later found out there was much more to it than this. We are not the insect or animal kingdom, fighting over scraps so we can survive the winter. At least not after civilization was established anyway. Battles over resources was to determine who had reign over a region, and did so with uncontested power in their sovereignty. Diplomacy is actually a very recent term when taking the entirety of human existence into account. It came well after civilization as we know it came into existence. However, no matter how far you go back or recent you stay, the elements of good and evil are always there in one way or the other. And a huge reason for this is because some type of currency and sovereign reign always had a hand in human conflicts, each and every time.

The morally right do not always win war. There's a famous quote by Bertrand Russell that goes,

"War does not determine who is right, only who is left."

You are 100% correct. But I never claimed that good always wins. I only stated that you, myself, and everyone on these forums who all enjoy FFXIV and other civilized forms of livelihood are able to do so because the good guys won. When the good guys don't win we get the Mexican Cartel, Vietnam, and the current US Administration.

Sometimes those with the morally upright position are the aggressors who initiate hostility, while the morally repugnant simply defend themselves or stake their claim.

Like I told the last poster I quoted, the morally upright are always the aggressors. However, acts of hostility can be initiated by either side. Aggression does not always equal hostile. It can also mean assertive and steadfast pursuit of goals, which are then met with hostility. Pearl Harbor in 1941 is a great example of this.

Sometimes the purpose of a war is even rewritten later by the victors, to make them seem more morally sound so their progeny don't have to feel bad about their ancestors, too.

War itself is often filled with hard choices both in sheer operation as well as on moral levels. Do you invade a country on land with troops so that you can distinguish more often between civilians and combatants, knowing that by taking this morally upstanding path you condemn more good men on your side to die? Or do you engage in less humane bombings that are without discernment, hoping to force a surrender to spare those good men their lives while still taking the lives of others, combatant or not?

In the end, our society has tried to wage wars it has been in, in a humane fashion. However, there is ultimately no way to truly succeed in doing that, because war by its very nature is inhumane.

Of course, if you do look into history enough, you find many an instance where lady leaders start wars and are actually some of the more willing war practitioners in all of history. Catherine the Great comes to mind most readily with the Russo-Turkish War. Not too mention overthrowing her own husband to take the crown.

But yes, it's still true that men fight war, and are responsible for holding up society.

To close, I will point out that I appreciate your take on the matter and delivering arguments with substance. You make a lot of good points that make things a little less binary as I attempt to make them. War is much more complicated than that for sure. It made me reflect on Generals Grant Vs Lee whom each made both moral and immoral decisions in order to best their opponents in a war that claimed the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

My commendations good sir.

[Vyrerus]

When I was in school, this is what they would have liked us to believe. However, the perceptive and the not-so-impressionable minds knew or later found out there was much more to it than this. We are not the insect or animal kingdom, fighting over scraps so we can survive the winter. At least not after civilization was established anyway.

Well, that's not quite true either.

Up until even just two to three hundred years ago, long after the establishment of civilization, the winter was still a serious threat to all humans that live in regions with winter. Without the large scale importing and exporting of the modern era, this meant distinct regions had to save up food stores for the winter. It was not uncommon for most of human history for bandits and other marauders to kill and take from villages and individual homes who had stored up for the winter, during winter, to survive.

Also not uncommon for most of human history for sovereigns to impose upon residents in their lands to house and feed their troops while passing through. Even if it came at the cost of killing those residents. Particularly during war time or in readying for war in colonial lands. Hence why that makes an appearance in the Bill of Rights for the United States.

I would say that we're around today because of the men who skillfully crafted our nation and who have lead it through the perils brought about by themselves and other nations. Not wholly good, certainly not wholly evil. We try to be good and do good, but it is so much easier to do than to be.

[TaleraRistain]

Also not uncommon for most of human history for sovereigns to impose upon residents in their lands to house and feed their troops while passing through. Even if it came at the cost of killing those residents. Particularly during war time or in readying for war in colonial lands. Hence why that makes an appearance in the Bill of Rights for the United States.

The ARMY can't live in ya house. Put this down in writing. The ARMY can't live, in ya house.

(I love that bit with John Mulaney and the Third Amendment)

[Aword3213]

It's also good to point out how Yotsuyu climbed the ranks to become the acting viceroy of Doma. There's a lack of kindness towards women in a lot of professional industries. Look at the leaders of the world in politics, look at the leaders of the world in business. Most of them are still men. Women have to work so, so much harder to progress up most professional ladders, and when we do often times we're considered cold because of how focused we are on making progress.

I wonder why such claims are always based on position of power.

Who most bricklayers are men? It’s so unfair. We need to equalize that and start forcing women to work as bricklayers to achieve equality.

Jobs with high risks of physical harm are overwhelmingly men too.

Jobs in certain fields are dominated by women too and it’s fine. Women just have different interests in life and they’re free to pursue their own ideals.

Leaders of business don’t sit at their office doing nothing but sipping latte. It’s a very competitive position. You have to work so hard that you have no such thing as personal life. You have to wake up in the middle of night to answer the calls from your clients and the first thing you say would be “so happy to hear you.” One mistake from you, somebody will take over your position in a moment’s notice.

I’m not saying women are incapable of being in such positions. Men and women simply have priorities in life. Simple as that.

[AngelCheese77]

Well this topic took one hell of a left turn into WTF territory.

[caffe_macchiato]

Very nice analysis OP. Stormblood is a far deeper and better expansion than most people give it credit for. Sadly, all of that was replaced with the cheap Marvel-esque popcorn fare in Shadowbringers. And shame for all of the “fans” calling this poster a troll. How many hours have you spent AFK in Limsa today? You know they don’t give out gold p*rses for idling, right?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

If you bothered to read OP's source:



I don't come to the forums often but it seems like everyone is having a kneejerk reaction based on who the OP is? I feel like there's some context to why everyone is so hostile that I'm not getting.

Fashionably late to the party as I ever am, but I was wondering the same thing. I thought their "review" of her story was very insightful and spot on and I enjoyed it.

[EatForMoxie]

I think the Lalafell Lifter is too high.