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  1. #51
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    I can't tell whether this is alluding to an unhinged conspiracy theory about an unspecified group pulling the strings - billionaires, reptilians, the french - or weapons grade naivety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raasu View Post
    Not even going to try to dissect your entire post, but this specific part is messing me up because I just can't believe someone wrote this down without wondering who are starting those wars in the first place (hint: it's not the 'corporate boss babes'). Spectacular miss lol.
    Well I guess I'm stumped. How do I provide a rebuttal to such divine tiktok wisdom? I'm not the brightest bulb of the bunch, but I'll give it my best shot while trying to remain in your attention span.

    First let me ask you something. Do you enjoy playing FFXIV? How about catching up with your favorite Netflix series, BBQ get togethers, or spending a warm afternoon with lover ones? How about just simply living and breathing? If the answer to any of those is yes, it has all been made possible through war. I'm not saying war is a good thing, and you're not wrong. War is started by men, but they are also fought by them.

    When you do dive into the textbooks, you find out that there are always two forces at play when it comes to war: Good, and evil. War happens when evil tries to reign, and good men wage these wars to stop it. There is a saying along the lines of "the only thing evil needs to win is for good men to do nothing." You're able to read this and participate in these forum discussions because good men did something. They fought, bled, and died because they believed in freedom, independence, life, liberty, peace, and valued their families including all the women. They fought, for them and you. Do you understand?

    Everyone living today, especially in Western civilization has relatives no matter how distant that served time during war, and you have them to thank for the fact you are even existing. If those wars were never started and won by the forces of good, you would not be here today.

    These men. These disposable heroes. We have them to thank for everything, and I do mean everything. They start and fight the wars because they are built for it. Because it's in their nature to protect women and children. They value youth and femininity and will die for both. Evil seeks to destroy masculinity and femininity so keep that in mind the next time you see low T ladyboys and boss babes all around you.
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    Turing test for the average 0 iq FFXIV player passed
    Well done TitanMenGPT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Well I guess I'm stumped. How do I provide a rebuttal to such divine tiktok wisdom? I'm not the brightest bulb of the bunch, but I'll give it my best shot while trying to remain in your attention span.

    First let me ask you something. Do you enjoy playing FFXIV? How about catching up with your favorite Netflix series, BBQ get togethers, or spending a warm afternoon with lover ones? How about just simply living and breathing? If the answer to any of those is yes, it has all been made possible through war. I'm not saying war is a good thing, and you're not wrong. War is started by men, but they are also fought by them.

    When you do dive into the textbooks, you find out that there are always two forces at play when it comes to war: Good, and evil. War happens when evil tries to reign, and good men wage these wars to stop it. There is a saying along the lines of "the only thing evil needs to win is for good men to do nothing." You're able to read this and participate in these forum discussions because good men did something. They fought, bled, and died because they believed in freedom, independence, life, liberty, peace, and valued their families including all the women. They fought, for them and you. Do you understand?

    Everyone living today, especially in Western civilization has relatives no matter how distant that served time during war, and you have them to thank for the fact you are even existing. If those wars were never started and won by the forces of good, you would not be here today.

    These men. These disposable heroes. We have them to thank for everything, and I do mean everything. They start and fight the wars because they are built for it. Because it's in their nature to protect women and children. They value youth and femininity and will die for both. Evil seeks to destroy masculinity and femininity so keep that in mind the next time you see low T ladyboys and boss babes all around you.
    LOL those are honestly kinda insane takes dude.

    For real, I don't even know where to start. This is such an infantile and dishonest way of looking at the world. Telling someone to dive into the textbooks while also proudly declaring that every war is about good vs. evil is just too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    When you do dive into the textbooks, you find out that there are always two forces at play when it comes to war: Good, and evil. War happens when evil tries to reign, and good men wage these wars to stop it.[snip]

    If those wars were never started and won by the forces of good, you would not be here today.[snip]

    They start and fight the wars because they are built for it.
    (Bolding added by me.)

    Since you're clearly an expert on the topic, tell me who the evil side is in every war in history. I'm especially curious about the ones where the good guys were the aggressors. It'll be easy for you since you've done your textbook diving and you know your stuff. Plus the post I've snipped shows you're more than willing to bash out a novel-length post on a forum for discussing an MMO.

    I mean it's not like you're a liar, coward, or idiot who'll say something like "do your own research" or "I don't have time" or "you're clearly a troll" or some other form of deflection or refusal. You're not afraid to put your money where your mouth is, right?

    Easy-peasy! Give me the list and you're clearly Good; fail and you're Evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    I can't tell whether this is alluding to an unhinged conspiracy theory about an unspecified group pulling the strings - billionaires, reptilians, the french - or weapons grade naivety.
    Its the french. Its always the french and their delicious croissants mind controlling us.
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    Speaking of French, what do you all think about the French vs English translation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I'm definitely
    Based Gemina.
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    War happens when evil tries to reign
    Well, based until this. This isn't quite true. War happens when multiple groups of people have a disagreement that cannot be solved via diplomacy. Generally this is with regards to two or more groups desiring the same resources.

    Whether those resources are land, animals, oil, gold, or people just depends on which war we're talking about.

    The morally right do not always win war. There's a famous quote by Bertrand Russell that goes,

    "War does not determine who is right, only who is left."

    Sometimes those with the morally upright position are the aggressors who initiate hostility, while the morally repugnant simply defend themselves or stake their claim.

    Sometimes the purpose of a war is even rewritten later by the victors, to make them seem more morally sound so their progeny don't have to feel bad about their ancestors, too.

    War itself is often filled with hard choices both in sheer operation as well as on moral levels. Do you invade a country on land with troops so that you can distinguish more often between civilians and combatants, knowing that by taking this morally upstanding path you condemn more good men on your side to die? Or do you engage in less humane bombings that are without discernment, hoping to force a surrender to spare those good men their lives while still taking the lives of others, combatant or not?

    In the end, our society has tried to wage wars it has been in, in a humane fashion. However, there is ultimately no way to truly succeed in doing that, because war by its very nature is inhumane.

    Of course, if you do look into history enough, you find many an instance where lady leaders start wars and are actually some of the more willing war practitioners in all of history. Catherine the Great comes to mind most readily with the Russo-Turkish War. Not too mention overthrowing her own husband to take the crown.

    But yes, it's still true that men fight war, and are responsible for holding up society.
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

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    Generals gathered in their masses
    Just like witches at black masses
    Evil minds that plot destruction
    Sorcerer of death's construction
    In the fields, the bodies burning
    As the war machine keeps turning
    Death and hatred to mankind
    Poisoning their brainwashed minds
    Oh lord, yeah!
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