Removal of Positionals

[ZiraZ]

Coordinated for what exactly? I could slightly agree if true north didn't exist, but what coordination is required outside of the tank always holding the boss north, which isn't difficult given bosses tend to be pretty static as its generally mechanics that force players to move around. Hell, even when bosses do move, they reset themselves after the mechanic fires off and warp back to the middle lol.

I just don't really see the benefit of them. They're not difficult to maintain and they don't really add anything imo. If they stay, they stay, if they don't then they don't and nothing really changes if they go.

They add flavor, they add a small layer of complexity and they are dare I say, fun?
Yeah they are not hard in general, but their goal is not to get most but to get them all in a fight, in that regard they can be actually be very hard in some bosses where the TN has to be allocated for portions of the fight where getting any positionals is literally impossible otherwise (reminder that p5-p8 is still an anomaly of extreme melee friendliness)
It would be like saying we should remove all of the caster's casts because I mean duh they are gonna cast the spells anyways why add the extra delay? Just make everything summoner lmao.

[Ransu]

They add flavor, they add a small layer of complexity and they are dare I say, fun?
Yeah they are not hard in general, but their goal is not to get most but to get them all in a fight, in that regard they can be actually be very hard in some bosses where the TN has to be allocated for portions of the fight where getting any positionals is literally impossible otherwise (reminder that p5-p8 is still an anomaly of extreme melee friendliness)
It would be like saying we should remove all of the caster's casts because I mean duh they are gonna cast the spells anyways why add the extra delay? Just make everything summoner lmao.

There's no complexity to it though. You'd have an argument for some complexity if the game actually forced you to be exactly on the flank or rear, but realistically you don't have to be, so all you have to do is hover around the corner of the circle. I just don't see what is fun about it or what it even adds to the game. I'd rather see more complex rotations, stronger resource management and buff/debuff management like how things were back in HW (remember when DRG had piercing debuff? Good ole days). Stuff like that actually matters. Stepping 1 inch left or right is just....blah.

Same could be said about most of the job mechanics. Neither Kaiten or just following basic 1-2-3 is hard to do, but once these little details start stacking up, then it adds depth to a job and creates healthy, gradual skill curve.

Its not even in the same realm of comparisons. Kaiten had a direct impact within how the job functioned. Combos and other CD's have a direct impact in maintaining your rotation and burst windows.

Positionals have zero meaning to them and zero feedback. They neither add or take away anything from the impact of combat. They just simply exist.