Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[Shinkuno]

Yeah and I love the defense of Zenimax. If ESO's story was linear as XIV you can bet your life they'd sell a skip. They can be fairly greedy. I haven't played ESO, but I've seen the stuff they put into their other cash shops. Now I wouldn't say it's Nexxon levels, but it's up there.

"I didnt play game x, but i know game x bad. Final Fantasy perfect!" lol

Also if people didn’t care about wow story then why would there be outside the game material like books and comics etc. if they had diminishing returns they wouldn’t invest in it. Also that goes into Wotlk people loved it because it brought in a character they loved in their story and lore and it gave that a conclusion. Heck I remember having to watch a 35 min sort of lore video to understand the premise of Arthus and why he was a big deal.

As you said, the books brought lore. The stories were always neglectable. Which is why when WOTLK was current everyone (warning hyperbole before you want to comment "BuT I KNoW PeOplE ThaT LikEd It") was making fun of the story and how Arthas is potrayed.

These forums are an echo chamber of negativity and sadly with no mod intervention they’ve began to ferment and secrete into all aspects of discussion..

If you want a positive circlejerk where every slight form of negativity towards the game is removed, may i advise you to join the FFXIV subreddit?

[Sotaris]

"I didnt play game x, but i know game x bad. Final Fantasy perfect!" lol

A lot of communities is this way though. Just look at the wow community that still thinks FF is "just a weeb game lol" until some bigger names on Twitch moved over, then suddenly it was cool.

If you want a positive circlejerk where every slight form of negativity towards the game is removed, may i advise you to join the FFXIV subreddit?

It's obvious you and I don't see eye to eye on some subjects but two wrongs don't make a right. Both platforms should be able to have legitimate discussions but in both places, if you have constructive discussions (wherever it's deemed positive or negative towards the game) it seems to end in name-calling or non-constructive discussion points.

Discuss in good faith = you're coping, or white knighting for SE/defending X thing

Meanwhile, if you say something negative about the game on Reddit = -129235235 comment points or whatever it's called, it's rarely a post/comment gets removed unless it breaks some rules though.

I suppose that's one of the reasons, ffxivdiscussion was formed but last I checked it spun out of control too.

[Iscah]

Meanwhile, if you say something negative about the game on Reddit = -129235235 comment points or whatever it's called, it's rarely a post/comment gets removed unless it breaks some rules though.

I've only recently gotten around to signing up for Reddit – not just for FFXIV, but an assortment of things – and I feel like it really suffers for downvotes not differentiating between "I disagree" and "this is a badly informed post that should be hidden from view". If I say a thing and it gets no replies but gets downvotes, I don't even learn what I've said wrong or whether I've given incorrect information.

This isn't an issue for the bulk of my conversations there, which usually neutral or slightly upvoted, but on the occasion where it does come up as an issue it's very frustrating.

But I'm inclined to blame that on social media as a whole and what it's done to people's communication skills.

[Sotaris]

But I'm inclined to blame that on social media as a whole and what it's done to people's communication skills.

I feel old for saying that it was better pre-social media era. In many areas. Communication, dating to name a few.

[SannaR]

"I didnt play game x, but i know game x bad. Final Fantasy perfect!" lol

I never said ESO is or was bad. I said Zenimax is trash due to playing other Bethesda games and seeing how greedy they are in those other cash shops. That they definitely would sell you a story skip if the story was more linear. As that was what is being used as a reason why people buy skips for XIV. In that unlike its predecessor of XI. It doesn't allow you the freedom to enjoy the various stories in whatever order you want to. Unless you're doing Rhapsody of Vana'deil. Where it'll make you go through all the other stories. Since there's rarely a time the game makes you go do a story line. There is or was the gear up grade npc that wouldn't allow you to upgrade unless you did complete the one story line they're tied to. They could have changed that since I last played, but I kind of doubt it.