Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[Stormpeaks]

Because Blizzard has no impact on it. If nobody sells raid clear starting tomorrow, then what? The token is still there and still sold by blizzard, is it now a raid skip? And if you want to go down the line of player interaction = indirectly selling it in the store then Square sells you GIL indirectly too. Once via level skips (500k gil i think) and even more indirectly via more retainers, which means more quick ventures for potential black/white dyes and more market board slots.

If you level boost + MSQ boost its actually 1 mil, technically if we are going down that road, that is also selling gil. And same for retainers as you said it can be technically considered selling gil as you maximize the amount of retainers, which in turn brings more items back and more ventures.

[Shinkuno]

No idea what you are on about. lol I was referring to people caring so little about story that skips exist in the first place. If that were the case SE wouldn't go out of their way to make the MSQ solo-able or they would start showing big spoilers in patch notes. Your reasoning makes no sense and is absurd. lol

They HAVE TO make it soloable because eventually you would not be able to progress the game without paying for skips. Its already pretty much impossible to do some of the side content cause noone does it anymore. This will eventually happen to MSQ multiplayer content too. "Quit or pay for a skip" would be a PR disaster

[VelKallor]

which is why there are these toxic "story" defenders

As far as I am aware, the story doesnt NEED defenders. If you dont enjoy it , fine, but why are you literally hellbent on telling others its so bad. Others enjoy what you dont...or is it, as a seagull once showed me , "you delight in clipping the wings of others because YOU cant fly?"

Telling me "you are totally wrong" yet what is YOUR experience with other games, other MMO's..who are YOU to tell me what others did or did not say to me?

Were you there? No. I am asking..why?

What the hell is your motive here? WHAT is it you are trying to achieve?

Still waiting to hear..how much of it have you actually done? or did you skip it all?

For reference: Ive done it all, all raids, MSQ, dungeons. Several times, pre and post ARR changes. Have you? ( Edit,sorry, cancel that, no I havent done DSR or Bozja )

They HAVE TO make it soloable because eventually you would not be able to progress the game without paying for skips. Its already pretty much impossible to do some of the side content cause noone does it anymore. This will eventually happen to MSQ multiplayer content too. "Quit or pay for a skip" would be a PR disaster

Actually, no, Yoshi commented that a lot of players liked the FF solo player experience, and he is making changes to cater to that aspect.

[Ravenblade1979]

It's also not against TOS to trade services for gold, just like it's not against TOS to buy an Ultimate clear with Gil. So yes, it is indeed supported.

it falls under content selling which is against tos. ive seen actual clears for gil pf's taken down and the person banned. why you think pf is so clean of them now. do they still exist, yes of course but they aren't advertised anymore. instead i see a new trend of people buying chests and stuff from savages.

[Ravenblade1979]

They HAVE TO make it soloable because eventually you would not be able to progress the game without paying for skips. Its already pretty much impossible to do some of the side content cause noone does it anymore. This will eventually happen to MSQ multiplayer content too. "Quit or pay for a skip" would be a PR disaster

not sure what data center you on but here on aether theres people in all levels of content. the issue we run into is the time of day. some times of day are super quiet so you have to take to pf just to grab a party for the content you want cleared. which honestly, people fill the roles pretty quick.

[Sotaris]

it falls under content selling which is against tos. ive seen actual clears for gil pf's taken down and the person banned. why you think pf is so clean of them now. do they still exist, yes of course but they aren't advertised anymore. instead i see a new trend of people buying chests and stuff from savages.

In other words, nothing changed other than how they advertise it in PF, correct?

[SannaR]

No one in any other online game cares about story my left foot. There was so much outcry when they killed off Cayde-6 in Destiny 2. Even if he did die in a badass way. There were people asking why they couldn't have killed off Zavala as he was seen by the community as boring and at the time being a complete jerk. And I doubt many would say Destiny is a game where many play it for the story that's mostly slapped into the codex.

[CStrife912]

No one in any other online game cares about story my left foot. There was so much outcry when they killed off Cayde-6 in Destiny 2. Even if he did die in a badass way. There were people asking why they couldn't have killed off Zavala as he was seen by the community as boring and at the time being a complete jerk. And I doubt many would say Destiny is a game where many play it for the story that's mostly slapped into the codex.

Also if people didn’t care about wow story then why would there be outside the game material like books and comics etc. if they had diminishing returns they wouldn’t invest in it. Also that goes into Wotlk people loved it because it brought in a character they loved in their story and lore and it gave that a conclusion. Heck I remember having to watch a 35 min sort of lore video to understand the premise of Arthus and why he was a big deal.

These forums are an echo chamber of negativity and sadly with no mod intervention they’ve began to ferment and secrete into all aspects of discussion. I also don’t believe for instance the store which promotes skips actually sells that many. I think they have falsely created that narrative to get more people to contemplate looking at them with alts or people who don’t like story. I mean it’s pure speculation on my part and there is no statistics for it but it would make sense the company who is happy to make more money would advertise their big pieces as hotly bought.

[Yeol]

They can make this game more alt friendly without needing story skip but they won’t. Money comes first.

[SannaR]

Also if people didn’t care about wow story then why would there be outside the game material like books and comics etc. if they had diminishing returns they wouldn’t invest in it. Also that goes into Wotlk people loved it because it brought in a character they loved in their story and lore and it gave that a conclusion. Heck I remember having to watch a 35 min sort of lore video to understand the premise of Arthus and why he was a big deal.

These forums are an echo chamber of negativity and sadly with no mod intervention they’ve began to ferment and secrete into all aspects of discussion. I also don’t believe for instance the store which promotes skips actually sells that many. I think they have falsely created that narrative to get more people to contemplate looking at them with alts or people who don’t like story. I mean it’s pure speculation on my part and there is no statistics for it but it would make sense the company who is happy to make more money would advertise their big pieces as hotly bought.

Yeah and I love the defense of Zenimax. If ESO's story was linear as XIV you can bet your life they'd sell a skip. They can be fairly greedy. I haven't played ESO, but I've seen the stuff they put into their other cash shops. Now I wouldn't say it's Nexxon levels, but it's up there.