Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[VelKallor]

I just want to touch on this. This game is guilty of this too

You know why 1.0 failed...1.0 and ARR are SEPARATE, as we both know. 1.0 no longer exists, no one in their right mind wants it back, ( Note: the suggestion has already been made that maybe it can be reconstituted via NG plus and I KNOW that Yoshi has said he will look at this as a possibility, so dont write it off forever ..it would mean recreatng 1.0 with the current engine which is a mammoth task. Whether or not it can even BE done is unknown....)...then again, we are discussing 1.0 vs ARR, we are NOT discussing the equivalent deletion of the ENTIRE COILS series, cutscenes and dungeons / raids.

That is what we are comparing here..WOW is still the same game, and for Gods sake, back in Shadowlands they NUKED an entire questline weeks into the expac, ( I mentioned this earlier )..look at it this way, lets say by comparison, kiss:

Coils
All the HW and SB instances and raids
A load of earlier content goodbye.

There IS no comparison, not to mention that WOW has literally bypassed all the prev expacs prior to Dragonwhatever, you start on some random island then get forced into current expac content, whether you want to or not. Blizzard is FOMO obsessed, the past expacs and all they contained thrown aside and ignored as if it had never been.

Remember these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwF0...olZzHz_SR_pQVi

I do. I remember Legion and all the promise it held. God...I used to sit and talk in New Dalaran, the background music was beautiful.

Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hRjNoUl4WQ

Why wipe out the ring questline? FOMO.

Why wipe out War of Thornes? Teldrassil? FOMO.

Why wipe out the cloak questline? FOMO.

Why wipe out older Legion content? FOMO

Blizzard is obsessed with short term, not long term, current vs past which they toss aside. I can replay ALL past content via NG plus anytime I want...a gigantic pity the same cant be said for WOW..which is maybe understandable , considering the writing and story prior to the current expac makes them look like rank amateurs...which, IMNSHO, they definitely are.

This, btw, is why and how they keep people subbed, the longer they stay..and play..and PAY..the better. Those MAU metrics wont inflate themselves, you know..............

FF 14 maintains ties to its past, its characters, the lore...WOW doesnt care about anything but whats currently in vogue.

[R041]

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Okay I remember you now, you're the one that's hell-bent on burning down WoW no matter how many good things it does now. We don't want disgruntled WoW players, they just act like XIV is the greatest thing ever made because it's not WoW.

And nobody cares how cohesive the story is over a decade, it has absolutely shit on everything some of us wanted out of it anyway. It may be cohesive to the characters, but it's not even remotely coherent. We just want to actually play a game with our friends now, not force them to read a sub-par manga for 300 hours. The MSQ just got way out of hand and turned into what it is. We didn't expect it to keep going without any extension to new players past 'Story Skip'.

Story isn't even that good anymore, why you acting like it's the greatest thing since The Shawshank Redemption. You act like us traveling to the end of the universe and killing mega-satan is good writing. lol

I don't want to run around with the same band of characters anymore. It's played out. I'm bored. I'm done with Alphinaud. These characters should have died and stayed dead. At least then it'd actually have an impact on the story for once. Instead of it always being "Somehow X survived!"

[Ravenblade1979]

Okay I remember you now, you're the one that's hell-bent on burning down WoW no matter how many good things it does now. We don't want disgruntled WoW players, they just act like XIV is the greatest thing ever made because it's not WoW.

And nobody cares how cohesive the story is over a decade, it has absolutely shit on everything some of us wanted out of it anyway. It may be cohesive to the characters, but it's not even remotely coherent. We just want to actually play a game with our friends now, not force them to read a sub-par manga for 300 hours. The MSQ just got way out of hand and turned into what it is. We didn't expect it to keep going without any extension to new players past 'Story Skip'.

Story isn't even that good anymore, why you acting like it's the greatest thing since The Shawshank Redemption. You act like us traveling to the end of the universe and killing mega-satan is good writing. lol

I don't want to run around with the same band of characters anymore. It's played out. I'm bored. I'm done with Alphinaud. These characters should have died and stayed dead. At least then it'd actually have an impact on the story for once. Instead of it always being "Somehow X survived!"

welcome to the ff franchise lol. Like if you don't like the direction they took, think the story is boring, don't like the characters. why do you still have a sub and support the game? theres so many other multiplayer games out there you could be playing with your friends. Why you think Yoshi P said it was ok for people to step back from the game and take a break.

[R041]

welcome to the ff franchise lol

I mean true, XIII does exist. I can take 30 hours of a batshit story because it can't get very far. But FFXIV takes all of the batshit of every FF game and just keeps going forever. It's like an FF nightmare. lol

[Ravenblade1979]

I mean true, XIII does exist. I can take 30 hours of a batshit story because it can't get very far. But FFXIV takes all of the batshit of every FF game and just keeps going forever. It's like an FF nightmare. lol

i like to think of it more as a playground for the series. The fact its making bank is probably why its going to continue with a whole brand new story. i mean ff11 is getting new content and thats 20 years old lol.

[Stormpeaks]

Okay I remember you now, you're the one that's hell-bent on burning down WoW no matter how many good things it does now. We don't want disgruntled WoW players, they just act like XIV is the greatest thing ever made because it's not WoW.

And nobody cares how cohesive the story is over a decade, it has absolutely shit on everything some of us wanted out of it anyway. It may be cohesive to the characters, but it's not even remotely coherent. We just want to actually play a game with our friends now, not force them to read a sub-par manga for 300 hours. The MSQ just got way out of hand and turned into what it is. We didn't expect it to keep going without any extension to new players past 'Story Skip'.

Story isn't even that good anymore, why you acting like it's the greatest thing since The Shawshank Redemption. You act like us traveling to the end of the universe and killing mega-satan is good writing. lol

I don't want to run around with the same band of characters anymore. It's played out. I'm bored. I'm done with Alphinaud. These characters should have died and stayed dead. At least then it'd actually have an impact on the story for once. Instead of it always being "Somehow X survived!"

"they removed bits of the story, wow sucks !!!!!" is basically everything that Vel says

The faster you understand that the faster you'll understand its a waste of time lol

[R041]

i like to think of it more as a playground for the series. The fact its making bank is probably why its going to continue with a whole brand new story. i mean ff11 is getting new content and thats 20 years old lol.

Well that's what I'm saying you know? I don't mind if they cut everything up into their own little sections of themepark. You can make batshit 30 hour stories, but why is it necessary to string them all together every year and continue the massive thread? It's just not necessary, it's super excessive at this point. I'd advocate for cutting the MSQ hours down for more horizontal content. Do literally anything but what they're doing now, because it's just frustrating to deal with.

It's why I love when they split up the Trials and Raids into their own stories. It works well, we know it works. It's still extremely fun. They can tell world stories, they don't need to always involve the Scions.

[Ravenblade1979]

Well that's what I'm saying you know? I don't mind if they cut everything up into their own little sections of themepark. You can make batshit 30 hour stories, but why is it necessary to string them all together every year and continue the massive thread? It's just not necessary, it's super excessive at this point. I'd advocate for cutting the MSQ hours down for more horizontal content. Do literally anything but what they're doing now, because it's just frustrating to deal with.

It's why I love when they split up the Trials and Raids into their own stories. It works well, we know it works. It's still extremely fun.

probably a bit late to tell you they really haven't changed the formula and probably won't lol. took them quite a few years to cut 30% out of the 100msq slog post Arr.

[R041]

probably a bit late to tell you they really haven't changed the formula and probably won't lol. took them quite a few years to cut 30% out of the 100msq slog post Arr.

I'm aware, I'm just babbling at this point. lol
I've been subbed since 1.0. I know what Yoshi is capable of, and they've only been pull back the past 4 years. They know how to write when it matters, and they know how to section off content and sub-stories.

[caffe_macchiato]

womp womp

Imagine all the blood, sweat and tears that Yoshida put into this game, only to be compared to World of Warcraft with everything that he does. Isn't that sad? No matter what he does, WoW will always be relevant because it's all that anyone cares about.