Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
What bothers me is understanding where the hardcore mentality is even coming from wanting to gear up multiple roles when (checks savage raid min.ilv) the current savage raid tier which is the only hardcore combat endgame raiding content we have (sides Ults but thats not the case) has an entry of ilv.610. BiS isnt necessary to clear these fights, and if we're talking about wanting better gear anyway, may I remind people that due to FFXIV's consistent patch cycle the window relevancy for that gear is so short because by the time the next patch comes, the discrepency of ilvs is triviliazed due to the catch up gear you get by then?

There is no reason why you would feel that you need to bis multiple roles when the current raiding content is clearable with the bare minimum. If they added another raid tier where ilv.630 is required for entry then YES I can 100% get behind people's frustrations with gearing because you would want to have multiple roles accessible to you for the prog. But with how endgame raiding content is currently handled? savage gear is almost trivial.

This game needs better raid progression, that should be the focus of the discussion.
I know you said besides ultimates but they are essentially the post savage raid tier which requires you to have pretty much BiS if not BiS to complete. If your argument is you only need to meet the minimum ilvl to do savage the question I have is why bother doing savage after your first clear then? Sure you might like doing the fights but most do it so they can gear their characters and progress them as well as get them ready for the next savage tier. FF14 is an MMO with no horizontal progression system so there is only one way to progress characters and that is by getting the new BiS through savage and tomes. I think that should be the real focus, finding more ways to acquire BiS or almost BiS outside of taking months to gear one role through savage and tomes whether it be through making criterion dungeons content worth doing by having it drop in between gear (ie ilvl 625) or making alliance raids drop higher ilvl gear as another source of alternate gearing for savage raider alt jobs since they have to wait almost 8 months for the raid tier's gear lockout to be removed.

That being said I am someone who doesn't care about my own gearing since I don't do content where gear really makes a difference.