Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[VelKallor]

Still waiting for you to prove that people on different platforms play different type of content, guess I'll wait for a very long time.

I never commented on that. If you refer to the taste commentary, I replied to that.

Also, 2.2 millions active players didnt leave for 5.31. Or did THAT many people get scared by the Ishgard restoration sidequests ?

Source?

I also go back to my original question: whats with this obsession over player numbers?

[Saraide]

I heavily doubt those stats are real, they count WoW as having half the monthly players of FFXIV, and half the active players of FFXIV, that's a bit of stretch

Also september 2020 is patch 5.31 https://allpatchnotes.com/final-fant...0-patch-notes/

Yea, I also expected the endwalker release to have a much higher spike (one that you can very clearly see on steam charts) but on the ones dixiebell linked it's just business as usual mostly.

[Stormpeaks]

I never commented on that. If you refer to the taste commentary, I replied to that.



Source?

I also go back to my original question: whats with this obsession over player numbers?

So you are telling me over 2.2 millions active players left because ishgard restoration sidequests came out

alright

Yea, I also expected the endwalker release to have a much higher spike (one that you can very clearly see on steam charts) but on the ones dixiebell linked it's just business as usual mostly.

100% it's not right, the peak from EW was much higher than that, my friend list was FULL of people. Like actually full of online players

[Iscah]

Was 5.31 the point where the devs were talking about fully deleting old banned characters to free up names and things?

[Saraide]

Was 5.31 the point where the devs were talking about fully deleting old banned characters to free up names and things?

Even then those wouldnt be monthly active players.

[Shinkuno]

So those stats arent real but the STEAM ones are. Got it.

Yes, a known platform that operated for years is more credible than some random website with no way to know where data is coming from

[Striker44]

Steam charts is accurate data. You'd have to prove that steam users are significantely different than console and standalone users. What's the reason to assume this? Anectodal evidence does not count. You dont need all the data, you just need a representative sample to draw valid conclusions.

Actually, if you're the one making the claim, the impetus is on you to prove that Steam users are actually similar to console and SE launcher users. None of our anecdotal evidence is sufficient, as we've all mentioned. YOU need to show that the data is actually representative of the larger playerbase and usable for conclusions before it becomes valid.

[Stormpeaks]

Actually, if you're the one making the claim, the impetus is on you to prove that Steam users are actually similar to console and SE launcher users. None of our anecdotal evidence is sufficient, as we've all mentioned. YOU need to show that the data is actually representative of the larger playerbase and usable for conclusions before it becomes valid.

Or just be logical that the person behind the screen is the same, be it on console or computer, everyone in this game does multiple activities.

[Saraide]

Actually, if you're the one making the claim, the impetus is on you to prove that Steam users are actually similar to console and SE launcher users. None of our anecdotal evidence is sufficient, as we've all mentioned. YOU need to show that the data is actually representative of the larger playerbase and usable for conclusions before it becomes valid.

Do you have reasons to assume steam users are different? I cant really think of one.

[VeyaAkemi]

Do you have reasons to assume steam users are different? I cant really think of one.

Actually I can give one: Different nationalities, no seriously, let me explain, Steam provides a fixed rate on subscriptions, no matter the exchange rate for your country's currency, you will always pay the same, and in my case, I am from Brazil you see, it's substantially cheaper than paying it directly, this means that Brazilian players are substantially more encouraged to be Steam players, where as for an American player, playing through Steam might actually be a detriment since it provides no real benefit.

I am not saying I agree with their point, rather that there are externuating circumstances that can lead to vastly different demographics(and thus different perspectives) to play through Steam or standalone, and those circumstances might not be immediately obvious unless you are part of it.