Scholar Please Remove

[Sebazy]

Whilst I'm pretty firmly of the opinion that SCH's kit is a mess, there's no denying it's effectiveness.

It's not about being the 1%, it's about simply understanding the cooldowns and knowing how to roll them effectively. If you are leaning on Succor then you're simply playing the job wrong.

[deston07]

It's the highest DPS healer in Abyssos and the most picked healer in DSR. If anything, SCH carries its cohealer.

It is certainly not top damage in FFlogs, For any of Abyssos.
Secondly, that is the whole point you ether heal or damage Scholar can't do both in the same fight.
You almost have to give up one or the other, so yes Scholar in statistics keeps up with healing, and damage
However, the Scholars parsing Damage are not healing, and the scholars parsing Healing are not doing damage.
While any other healer does not have to give up so much for one or the other.

SCH has the best mitigation in the game

At most it has 25% assuming your raid team can stand in one spot, 20% if it is physical damage.
While Sage can put out 30% that has no requirement of placement on the arena, or damage type.

Third is also entirely untrue. SCH's oGCDs are busted, Recitation, Expedient, Sacred Soil, etc.

I didn't say it doesn't have oGCD's, but the few that it does have are ether part of the Aetherflow guage or fairy.
How exactly does Scholar burst work?..... Burn Aetherflow for Energy drain, Eat Fairy for Aetherflow charges burn more Energy drain.
so for a large majority of their burst, they do not have oGCD's.
This is how the majority of PF scholars play, and it is pain for co-healers.
not saying it is the right way to play but you are more likely to be kicked for low damage than low healing in PF.

Shields Are not mitigation

[Nizzi]

It is certainly not top damage in FFlogs, For any of Abyssos.
Secondly, that is the whole point you ether heal or damage Scholar can't do both in the same fight.
You almost have to give up one or the other, so yes Scholar in statistics keeps up with healing, and damage
However, the Scholars parsing Damage are not healing, and the scholars parsing Healing are not doing damage.
While any other healer does not have to give up so much for one or the other.

Yes, it is? And like I also said, it's the most chosen healer for DSR, a mitigation intensive encounter - why do you think that is if SGE is superior at mitigation over SCH? (Hint: It's not!)
And no, you don't have to. In extremely optimized settings Energy Drain accounts for around 5% of a Scholar's damage. Scholar overwhelmingly gets more rDPS from Chain than it does Energy Drain. It's not an issue.

I didn't say it doesn't have oGCD's, but the few that it does have are ether part of the Aetherflow guage or fairy.
How exactly does Scholar burst work?..... Burn Aetherflow for Energy drain, Eat Fairy for Aetherflow charges burn more Energy drain.
so for a large majority of their burst, they do not have oGCD's.
This is how the majority of PF scholars play, and it is pain for co-healers.
not saying it is the right way to play but you are more likely to be kicked for low damage than low healing in PF.

Again, you're just saying to me that you really don't understand Scholar's kit at all. SCH has the most amount of oGCDs to GCDs of any job in the game; if a Scholar is doing low damage it's because they are not keeping their GCD rolling, and using Energy Drain more will not make up for that. The rank 1 log in P8S for SCH is not using every bit of Aetherflow on Energy Drain, and gets a lot of healing usage out of their Aetherflow.
I'm sorry you've played with bad PF Scholars; just block them from joining if it's such an issue? Personally speaking I would much rather have a SCH in my party than a WHM or a SGE, those two jobs have had the bulk majority of terrible players in my experiences in PF.

Shields Are not mitigation

LMAO

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I am struggling to understand why you aren’t discussing this with the cohealer in question- “the tank died to autos,” “healing on NA2 is kind of tight, could you do x there to help?” And so on. It’s not necessary, but you could also quite easily knock up a healing and mitigation plan, and make sure the dps know that they’re meant to be using disassemble/shield samba/addle at whatever points.

[ForsakenRoe]

At most it has 25% assuming your raid team can stand in one spot, 20% if it is physical damage.
While Sage can put out 30% that has no requirement of placement on the arena, or damage type.

Can I just ask, how are you getting 30% on SGE

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Can I just ask, how are you getting 30% on SGE

10%x3 except that’s overstating it since they’re multiplicative not additive.

[deston07]

it's the most chosen healer for DSR

Yes As my original post stated top 1-5% of players.
specifically for Chain Stratagem - 10% Crit buff.
Not Mitigation

Shields = More HP
Mitigation = Hit for less damage

150k Damage attack is still going to hit for 150k Shielded, but eats 150k of the shield then into HP.
150k damage attack mitigated by 10% is going to hit for 135k,
Mitigation Also mitigates how much damage Shields take as well, so you could prevent the shield from even been dropped off in the first place.




I didn't say it was the worst At healing or Damage, but it certainly can't do both.


^Damage

^Healing
That Astro is totally not carrying the SCH in healing..
This is the top reported but you can continue to all the top SCH parses they are carried by another healer in the same way.
SCH and AST are High picks for their ability to boost everyone's damage.
not the core of what they should be doing.

Many SCH see all the High damage SCH's and try to replicate it by burning Aetherflow Gauge.
I don't think this is the right way to play, but it is how PF is playing SCH.

[deston07]

10%x3 except that’s overstating it since they’re multiplicative not additive.

Yes Exactly!
I messed up, I though Holo's was 20%

Holos + Kerachole -> 20% Mit + Shield + Heal over time
No requirement to stand in one place, once applied.

[Telvanni_Guard]

^Damage

^Healing
That Astro is totally not carrying the SCH in healing..
This is the top reported but you can continue to all the top SCH parses they are carried by another healer in the same way.

I think you're getting too caught up in the color on the left side. The healing between the two isn't that much different.

[HyonaCookie]

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^Damage

^Healing
That Astro is totally not carrying the SCH in healing..
This is the top reported but you can continue to all the top SCH parses they are carried by another healer in the same way.

So I looked up both of these healers and it looks like they are in a speedkill static together which means most of their healing/mitigation is very tightly optimized and not the best rep of regular players. They also have double DRK to ensure they have the most DPS pumped into their buffs.

The SCH themselves also didn't just use all their Aetherflow on just ED. In several of their logs I found, they used 3 Sacred Soils per raid. It also looks like they used 3 critlo deploys in one log so they aren't not GCD healing either. The AST isn't really pulling the most of the weight either. In one log, their only GCD heals seem to be 1 Aspected Benefic and 3 Aspected Helios casts. I would actually conclude the AST did more healing because they have more burst healing over time. So I don't think you can take this log to say the AST is carrying the SCH when it looks like they're putting in the same amount of effort.