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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    it's the most chosen healer for DSR
    Yes As my original post stated top 1-5% of players.
    specifically for Chain Stratagem - 10% Crit buff.
    Not Mitigation

    Shields = More HP
    Mitigation = Hit for less damage

    150k Damage attack is still going to hit for 150k Shielded, but eats 150k of the shield then into HP.
    150k damage attack mitigated by 10% is going to hit for 135k,
    Mitigation Also mitigates how much damage Shields take as well, so you could prevent the shield from even been dropped off in the first place.




    I didn't say it was the worst At healing or Damage, but it certainly can't do both.


    ^Damage

    ^Healing
    That Astro is totally not carrying the SCH in healing..
    This is the top reported but you can continue to all the top SCH parses they are carried by another healer in the same way.
    SCH and AST are High picks for their ability to boost everyone's damage.
    not the core of what they should be doing.

    Many SCH see all the High damage SCH's and try to replicate it by burning Aetherflow Gauge.
    I don't think this is the right way to play, but it is how PF is playing SCH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deston07 View Post

    ^Damage

    ^Healing
    That Astro is totally not carrying the SCH in healing..
    This is the top reported but you can continue to all the top SCH parses they are carried by another healer in the same way.
    I think you're getting too caught up in the color on the left side. The healing between the two isn't that much different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deston07;6225804
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    ^Damage

    ^Healing
    That Astro is totally not carrying the SCH in healing..
    This is the top reported but you can continue to all the top SCH parses they are carried by another healer in the same way.
    So I looked up both of these healers and it looks like they are in a speedkill static together which means most of their healing/mitigation is very tightly optimized and not the best rep of regular players. They also have double DRK to ensure they have the most DPS pumped into their buffs.

    The SCH themselves also didn't just use all their Aetherflow on just ED. In several of their logs I found, they used 3 Sacred Soils per raid. It also looks like they used 3 critlo deploys in one log so they aren't not GCD healing either. The AST isn't really pulling the most of the weight either. In one log, their only GCD heals seem to be 1 Aspected Benefic and 3 Aspected Helios casts. I would actually conclude the AST did more healing because they have more burst healing over time. So I don't think you can take this log to say the AST is carrying the SCH when it looks like they're putting in the same amount of effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deston07 View Post
    Yes As my original post stated top 1-5% of players.
    specifically for Chain Stratagem - 10% Crit buff.
    Not Mitigation
    It is not taken into DSR for Chain; SCH is the LOWEST rDPS healer in DSR because DSR is an encounter where Scholar is specifically brought because of power its kit is in both healing and mitigation. SCH's dominance in DSR is why Holos received the buff it got, to put it closer in parity with Scholar because of how much better Scholar was in the encounter. You can even go look at the number 1 SGE log and see that their cohealer was a SCH with a grey damage parse of 2 with insanely higher healing and mitigation than the SGE - why do you think that is? But given the fact that you're trying to argue that shields are somehow not mitigation, I'm not really interested in continuing to respond to this, honestly. It is an exercise in futility.

    SCH and AST are High picks for their ability to boost everyone's damage.
    not the core of what they should be doing.

    Many SCH see all the High damage SCH's and try to replicate it by burning Aetherflow Gauge.
    I don't think this is the right way to play, but it is how PF is playing SCH.
    Again I mean no offense, but if you're still doing P8S this late in the tier, especially in PF, the majority of people you get aren't going to be good. It has been 6+ months since these raids came out. The problem is not with Scholar's kit, just PF randos. Block SCH and AST from your parties if you have issues with them, this is entirely on you if you're going into an environment where you can choose who plays with you and then complaining about the jobs they play. Are you saying you have zero faults at all when it comes to healing? Like fulminating said earlier, communicate with your cohealer and tell them where you need resources allocated, especially in P8Sp2 where healing requirements are more intensive.
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    SCH ability to out heal any healer was not the argument I know that it can.
    Scholar was my main until Endwalker,

    You are missing the point entirely.
    It can be played by the top 1-5% so it i is fine....

    I am by no means a Hard core player, im fine with getting through content at an average pace.
    For work i missed the first two months of this Tier.
    Last Tier I cleared 1-4 much faster, P4S as Sage + SCH.

    I am not unaware of how strong its healing or damage can be
    but i am fully aware at how awful it is in unoptimized groups. (Average groups)
    It wasn't as bad in ShB as it is now, or maybe with sage/WHM i fully see how unfun it is to play as/with.
    SCH has to be carried one way or the other, while Sage can carry one way or the other.
    Energy drain being connected to Aetherflow is the core reason for this.

    They already gutted most of the point of fairy gauge
    The original purpose of Energy drain being Aetherflow optimization..
    They are certainly not going to give healers back damage spells, that would require effort of actually balancing healers.

    I would rather them finish gutting SCH, put in a dot to make up for Energy drain missing damage.
    Not using or being able to use Aetherflow for energy drain, = Average player friendly.
    While still keeping the kit "HARD CORE" players are using.
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