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    Quote Originally Posted by deston07 View Post
    - Savage/Ult (forces other healers to carry)
    It's the highest DPS healer in Abyssos and the most picked healer in DSR. If anything, SCH carries its cohealer.

    Why is it Bad?
    -Lack of useful Mitigation!!
    -Forces use of Healing resources for damage
    -Lack of useful off-global cooldowns
    First is entirely untrue, SCH has the best mitigation in the game - so much so that SGE's Holos has to be buffed because SCH was superior to SGE. SGE still cannot match a spread Critlo.
    Second doesn't force anything, there's not enough to heal.
    Third is also entirely untrue. SCH's oGCDs are busted, Recitation, Expedient, Sacred Soil, etc.

    What would make it better?
    -Energy Drain - No Aetherflow cost - 2 charges Cool Down
    - Add -second Damage over Time - Off Global - gives 10 fairy guage
    -Sacred Soil - Applies Mitigation buff that isn't removed after stepping out of the affected area.
    The first two of these would suck. oGCD damage that interacts with nothing is boring. No thank you.
    Sacred Soil's mitigation extends for an entire tick after its effect goes away, making both the 10% mitigation 18s at full value and the Regen longer than Kerachole's as the Regen tick applies immediately for an additional tick over Sage's.

    Most of the community seems to underestimate the importance of mitigation. Scholar mitigation leaves a lot to be desired
    No offense, but this is ironic. You don't seem to understand Scholar's kit at all and it shows by what you're writing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    It's the highest DPS healer in Abyssos and the most picked healer in DSR. If anything, SCH carries its cohealer.
    It is certainly not top damage in FFlogs, For any of Abyssos.
    Secondly, that is the whole point you ether heal or damage Scholar can't do both in the same fight.
    You almost have to give up one or the other, so yes Scholar in statistics keeps up with healing, and damage
    However, the Scholars parsing Damage are not healing, and the scholars parsing Healing are not doing damage.
    While any other healer does not have to give up so much for one or the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    SCH has the best mitigation in the game
    At most it has 25% assuming your raid team can stand in one spot, 20% if it is physical damage.
    While Sage can put out 30% that has no requirement of placement on the arena, or damage type.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    Third is also entirely untrue. SCH's oGCDs are busted, Recitation, Expedient, Sacred Soil, etc.
    I didn't say it doesn't have oGCD's, but the few that it does have are ether part of the Aetherflow guage or fairy.
    How exactly does Scholar burst work?..... Burn Aetherflow for Energy drain, Eat Fairy for Aetherflow charges burn more Energy drain.
    so for a large majority of their burst, they do not have oGCD's.
    This is how the majority of PF scholars play, and it is pain for co-healers.
    not saying it is the right way to play but you are more likely to be kicked for low damage than low healing in PF.

    Shields Are not mitigation
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    Last edited by deston07; 04-04-2023 at 07:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deston07 View Post
    It is certainly not top damage in FFlogs, For any of Abyssos.
    Secondly, that is the whole point you ether heal or damage Scholar can't do both in the same fight.
    You almost have to give up one or the other, so yes Scholar in statistics keeps up with healing, and damage
    However, the Scholars parsing Damage are not healing, and the scholars parsing Healing are not doing damage.
    While any other healer does not have to give up so much for one or the other.



    Yes, it is? And like I also said, it's the most chosen healer for DSR, a mitigation intensive encounter - why do you think that is if SGE is superior at mitigation over SCH? (Hint: It's not!)
    And no, you don't have to. In extremely optimized settings Energy Drain accounts for around 5% of a Scholar's damage. Scholar overwhelmingly gets more rDPS from Chain than it does Energy Drain. It's not an issue.

    I didn't say it doesn't have oGCD's, but the few that it does have are ether part of the Aetherflow guage or fairy.
    How exactly does Scholar burst work?..... Burn Aetherflow for Energy drain, Eat Fairy for Aetherflow charges burn more Energy drain.
    so for a large majority of their burst, they do not have oGCD's.
    This is how the majority of PF scholars play, and it is pain for co-healers.
    not saying it is the right way to play but you are more likely to be kicked for low damage than low healing in PF.
    Again, you're just saying to me that you really don't understand Scholar's kit at all. SCH has the most amount of oGCDs to GCDs of any job in the game; if a Scholar is doing low damage it's because they are not keeping their GCD rolling, and using Energy Drain more will not make up for that. The rank 1 log in P8S for SCH is not using every bit of Aetherflow on Energy Drain, and gets a lot of healing usage out of their Aetherflow.
    I'm sorry you've played with bad PF Scholars; just block them from joining if it's such an issue? Personally speaking I would much rather have a SCH in my party than a WHM or a SGE, those two jobs have had the bulk majority of terrible players in my experiences in PF.

    Shields Are not mitigation
    LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by deston07 View Post
    At most it has 25% assuming your raid team can stand in one spot, 20% if it is physical damage.
    While Sage can put out 30% that has no requirement of placement on the arena, or damage type.
    Can I just ask, how are you getting 30% on SGE
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Can I just ask, how are you getting 30% on SGE
    10%x3 except that’s overstating it since they’re multiplicative not additive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    10%x3 except that’s overstating it since they’re multiplicative not additive.
    Yes Exactly!
    I messed up, I though Holo's was 20%

    Holos + Kerachole -> 20% Mit + Shield + Heal over time
    No requirement to stand in one place, once applied.
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    Last edited by deston07; 04-04-2023 at 09:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deston07 View Post
    Holos + Kerachole -> 20% Mit + Shield + Heal over time
    No requirement to stand in one place, once applied.
    Equally expedience + sacred soil -> 10%*10% mit + 3s longer hot + sprint. You also only need to have been in soil slightly before the damage comes out, there’s a server delay you can take advantage of. It should just about cover raidwide through tyrant’s unholy darkness 2 in p8s 2nd part for example.
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