Scholar Please Remove

[HyonaCookie]

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^Damage

^Healing
That Astro is totally not carrying the SCH in healing..
This is the top reported but you can continue to all the top SCH parses they are carried by another healer in the same way.

So I looked up both of these healers and it looks like they are in a speedkill static together which means most of their healing/mitigation is very tightly optimized and not the best rep of regular players. They also have double DRK to ensure they have the most DPS pumped into their buffs.

The SCH themselves also didn't just use all their Aetherflow on just ED. In several of their logs I found, they used 3 Sacred Soils per raid. It also looks like they used 3 critlo deploys in one log so they aren't not GCD healing either. The AST isn't really pulling the most of the weight either. In one log, their only GCD heals seem to be 1 Aspected Benefic and 3 Aspected Helios casts. I would actually conclude the AST did more healing because they have more burst healing over time. So I don't think you can take this log to say the AST is carrying the SCH when it looks like they're putting in the same amount of effort.

[Nizzi]

Yes As my original post stated top 1-5% of players.
specifically for Chain Stratagem - 10% Crit buff.
Not Mitigation

It is not taken into DSR for Chain; SCH is the LOWEST rDPS healer in DSR because DSR is an encounter where Scholar is specifically brought because of power its kit is in both healing and mitigation. SCH's dominance in DSR is why Holos received the buff it got, to put it closer in parity with Scholar because of how much better Scholar was in the encounter. You can even go look at the number 1 SGE log and see that their cohealer was a SCH with a grey damage parse of 2 with insanely higher healing and mitigation than the SGE - why do you think that is? But given the fact that you're trying to argue that shields are somehow not mitigation, I'm not really interested in continuing to respond to this, honestly. It is an exercise in futility.

SCH and AST are High picks for their ability to boost everyone's damage.
not the core of what they should be doing.

Many SCH see all the High damage SCH's and try to replicate it by burning Aetherflow Gauge.
I don't think this is the right way to play, but it is how PF is playing SCH.

Again I mean no offense, but if you're still doing P8S this late in the tier, especially in PF, the majority of people you get aren't going to be good. It has been 6+ months since these raids came out. The problem is not with Scholar's kit, just PF randos. Block SCH and AST from your parties if you have issues with them, this is entirely on you if you're going into an environment where you can choose who plays with you and then complaining about the jobs they play. Are you saying you have zero faults at all when it comes to healing? Like fulminating said earlier, communicate with your cohealer and tell them where you need resources allocated, especially in P8Sp2 where healing requirements are more intensive.

[deston07]

SCH ability to out heal any healer was not the argument I know that it can.
Scholar was my main until Endwalker,

You are missing the point entirely.
It can be played by the top 1-5% so it i is fine....

I am by no means a Hard core player, im fine with getting through content at an average pace.
For work i missed the first two months of this Tier.
Last Tier I cleared 1-4 much faster, P4S as Sage + SCH.

I am not unaware of how strong its healing or damage can be
but i am fully aware at how awful it is in unoptimized groups. (Average groups)
It wasn't as bad in ShB as it is now, or maybe with sage/WHM i fully see how unfun it is to play as/with.
SCH has to be carried one way or the other, while Sage can carry one way or the other.
Energy drain being connected to Aetherflow is the core reason for this.

They already gutted most of the point of fairy gauge
The original purpose of Energy drain being Aetherflow optimization..
They are certainly not going to give healers back damage spells, that would require effort of actually balancing healers.

I would rather them finish gutting SCH, put in a dot to make up for Energy drain missing damage.
Not using or being able to use Aetherflow for energy drain, = Average player friendly.
While still keeping the kit "HARD CORE" players are using.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

How about a no?

People can stick to SGE if they hate EDs & communicating so much. And like Nizzi mentioned: block SCHs from your PF if you will. What you’re suggesting is akin to burning down the house to kill a tiny spider.

[deston07]

What you’re suggesting is akin to burning down the house to kill a tiny spider.

From my perspective it is more like, burning down the house to get rid of a ghost.

SE will continue to gut healers, just get it over with!
They have made it quite clear they want to simplify healers to reduce development/balance time.
If they remove SCH all together, it is one less healer they have to deal with.

[Semirhage]

Saving this thread. This is exactly what I mean when I say,

"Scholar is really clunky to play and its kit is a mess"
"So anyway this is why we should decrease Scholar's interactivity and dramatically increase its power. Yeah it's one of the strongest healers in the game but it feels. So. Weak. *faints*"

Every time. You love to see it.

[Jamini]

Saving this thread. This is exactly what I mean when I say,

"Scholar is really clunky to play and its kit is a mess"
"So anyway this is why we should decrease Scholar's interactivity and dramatically increase its power. Yeah it's one of the strongest healers in the game but it feels. So. Weak. *faints*"

Every time. You love to see it.

Technically strongest I think? It's hard to compare because both SCH and AST rely so heavily on raidbuffs for their damage contribution. AFAIK, Scholar ends up significantly behind WHM and SGE in weaker groups but in a coordinated group SCH and AST both shine extremely well.

Honestly I didn't have too much trouble figuring out SCH's kit personally. A lot of it is just planning/thinking ahead. Learning SGE was basically just going "Okay, everything I do on scholar is reversed here!" and then rocking content with it.

[Faidid]

Just roll the SCH back to Heavensward and people would literally cheer SE for the move. This 'pure healer' garbage is popular with only a very vocal, albeit limited number of people. It's mindless and lazy to insist we just spam 1 dps button for 40% of our gameplay. It was very lazy to delete Selene and just turn her into Eos. It was very lazy to homogenize the healing archetypes into 2 types for bAlAnCe...so over it.

[Iedarus]

Just roll the SCH back to Heavensward and people would literally cheer SE for the move. This 'pure healer' garbage is popular with only a very vocal, albeit limited number of people. It's mindless and lazy to insist we just spam 1 dps button for 40% of our gameplay. It was very lazy to delete Selene and just turn her into Eos. It was very lazy to homogenize the healing archetypes into 2 types for bAlAnCe...so over it.

How dare you!? Square Enix is a small indie company who can do no wrong and Yoshi P is a saint compared to those icky, nasty WoW devs! How dare you call our messiah lazy!?

But for real though, the way a lot of things have been treated in this game have been so half-arsed. Healer changes, lack of hats for Viera/Hrothgar, having gender locked races for two expansions, Hrothgar hairstyles sitting so god awfully on the head because of the slouch that everyone hates yet the team refuses to fix, Viera and Hrothgar still having limited access to hairstyles despite it being about four years since ShB released, pet jobs being gutted, phys ranged hanging onto that 1% diversity buff for dear life, melee being hard meta because boss hitboxes are the size of a football field, and I could go on and on. If the cultists could finally open their eyes and actually not react to valid criticism for a product we're paying a monthly sub for like rabid animals this game would see more improvement.

[Duskane]

honestly only good thing about SGE is the gap closer, I'd much rather play the other 3.