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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Just out of curiosity, why do you think the bulk of the 'reworks' announced this expansion are melee dps? There's a reason for everything, if you soul search. Have a think about it and get back to me.
    Your claim that Job difficulty is the most frequently discussed Topic is what I disagree with. Players discussing changes happening/having happened/ wanting to see happen are the most frequently discussed topics.

    Even if your claim was true? the way you wrote that " Players want to proof their Job Top DPS proven based off of Difficulty " is misleading. I don't see a hoard of any x Jobs dominating the (Sub)Forum in numbers wanting to do so. Quite the claim? that all forum posters amount to is whining about not doing enough DPS based on them being the most difficult Job. My main language is not English, maybe I am a bad reader... but I don't think this is the most discussed Topic no...

    Yoshi suggested players to " give Player-Feedback through Forums ". Includes your Job, changes you wanna see or don't wanna see. Square has ignored this multiple times and you're suggesting to do more then what Square suggested which we have done and it takes sometimes years to see results? or no results. And if you're going to suggest everyone to be the next Zepla/Asmon/Xenos to more easily get attention from Square for the changes we want to see? that's quite the realistic take...

    The bulk of the reworks announced this Expansion being Melee DPS? weird question. We had SMN MCH PLD reworks, NIN tweak and a borderline stupid " Kaiten " removal. AST DRG were announced? I guess AST is a melee according to your question? All I see is Square wanting to appeal to a wider audience that are casual. Thus dumb down the Jobs regardless of the backlash and leave BLM alone cause Yoshi-P. I don't believe any of the changes or lack of are largely based or done due to Player-Feedback. I hope they don't do DRG dirty.

    But hey? Soul search hard enough... to " please look forward to " complaining about those changes in the future on the forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    ???
    If you are fully aware that you're not interpreting a post correctly due to linguistic struggles, it's probably best to be open-minded and ask for clarification.

    There is a distinction between 'one of the most frequently discussed' and 'the most frequently discussed'. The former is blatantly obvious to anyone who has been reading these forums for the past 10 years or so, while the latter, while possible, is both onerous and unnecessary to prove.

    Players are often keen to provide feedback, but people aren't born effective communicators (and randomly bolding words, bulleting sentences, or compiling lists of links to spam threads is hardly a surrogate for eloquence). It's easy enough to vocalize unhappiness. But do you actually have the right insights into the problem and the ability to articulate what they are? And more often than not, while players may agree that they are unhappy, they may not be able to reach consensus on a viable solution.

    As for why every melee dps job has been subject to reworks this expansion, the answer is simple. There was a new kid on the block, and everyone suddenly became insecure over it. SAM was in a fantastic place at the end of Shadowbringers, and they would have maintained that easily had they just been content with what they had. But for whatever reason, this forum was up in arms at 6.0's launch over issues around how melee jobs were rewarded for 'difficulty' relative to the new job. Longstanding melee players were expecting dps buffs to secure themselves raid spots in the face of fresh competition. What they got were job simplifications and a Monkey's Paw. We'll see the same thing play out next expansion if they release a new caster. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If you're generally happy with the gameplay that you have, then just observe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    (and randomly bolding words, bulleting sentences, or compiling lists of links to spam threads is hardly a surrogate for eloquence).
    Neither is writing barely grammatically correct paragraphs by people who delude themselves to be "qualified" enough to be spouting their opinions as facts, especially in light of complete and utter lack of evidence to support said delusion in the slightest, while denigrating anyone with opposing views based on their misguided sense of "superiority" because they just so happen to write barely coherent sentences and have no other redeeming qualities of any sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    If you are fully aware that you're not interpreting a post correctly due to linguistic struggles, it's probably best to be open-minded and ask for clarification.
    I am not misinterpreting anything, specially not when I quote sentences directly from your posts of which you fail to give the same courtesy. You ask of players to be " direct ", while your posts are linguistic jargon juggling between subtle passive aggressive jabs like " linguistic struggles " while insulting 100s of voices from my" Compiled Samurai List " indirectly... as if they were non existing and just Spam. " Be upfront " with what you mean.

    Majority of the threads simply are not about DPS mains crying about being entitled to Top DPS by proving their Jobs to be the most difficult. A momentary peak like you said yourself... doesn't paint the broader picture. Plenty topics are about...
    • Job Design discussions like this one
    • Job Skills anything
    • Job Feedback upon patch
    • Job Skill issues and bugs like that of the NIN one by Stella
    • Job suggestions and changes
    • Even topics about new Jobs
    And many more other topics I'm sure across that 10 years of reading forums.

    Misleading it all with just enough correct facts, but to skew it into your narrative because you want it to be about DPS performance based off of Difficulty <- I know Square mentioned this themselves, but even they don't follow their own words. My English might sound basic? but at least I am direct. Communicating with you is like talking to politician. All words, no substance, Zero points made, Zero arguments actually tackled sprinkled with insults, yet layered with enough jargon to keep it subtle.

    I am being nice though you can tell as I am using your own words here cause I remember that I have quote " linguistic struggles " as you put it right? Try and be more direct please and actually say what you want to say next time - you know as you yourself tell others to do as well that is. Mhm.
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