Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
Another curiosity to me is that WHM is the second lowest healer and under 5.0 now (after it was discussed how they weren't), but is arguably the best shape it's been in for the game's entire history (if you didn't love Cleric), and has either the most engaging, or second most engaging, GCD rotation (vying for the position with SGE), yet is rated so much lower for...reasons?

I dunno, there's some things that don't add up well. /shrug That's all I'm saying.

Also: This isn't the Healer forum, you can save your dogpile for there.
Key point here, it's the best it's been in terms of balance. Balance and engagement are two very different things.

Two big details that you're ignoring here:

Healer engagement is arguably at the lowest it's ever been in mainstream content. You yourself keep saying that FFXIV's healers can be fixed entirely with changes to content and whilst I don't agree with that (More in a moment), you are at least partially right in that content design is a part of the problem here. Let's lay down some cold numbers here: You keep saying that BarbEX is a good fight that deals loads of damage. I've already clearly demonstrated that it actually deals substantially less damage than RubiEX (Even with the puzzle phases included), but here's what will make your head really spin. BarbEX has roughly the same HPS requirements as Emerald WeaponEX. A trial from last expansion. Go think about that for a second.

Secondly. Hand waving away anyone who so much dares as to claim that FFXIV's healers are poorly designed as subjective is comical. Did you ever touch healing in Swotor? Did you ever touch healing in Warhammer online? Both MMOs had healers who's kits had serious depth, broad utility and massively diverse styles of play with a ton of inter-kit interactions.

WHM, for example, is one of the best designed Healers in MMOs IF you like to heal.
Really? I'd legit expect this comment from Titanmen. A bloated kit full of overpowered abilities that trivialise anything the game is capable of throwing at you short of just oneshotting people doesn't equate to a well designed kit. Go look at E12S part 1. That boss literally throws AoEs every time it so much as sneazes, it takes a spreadsheet masterclass to minimise GCD heal usage on that fight but yet even with all the AoEs, you can just /shrug your shoulders and deal with it with Medica IIs. Thus we've ended up at the point where the only challenge to healing that matters isn't even really a healer check (If you're a WHM at least), it's a mitigation check.

Best designed healers don't make me laugh. You don't know what the F you are talking about.