how did we at a place where diablo4 is more of an mmo that FF14?

[Shinkuno]

Zan, magitekLuna and Shinkuno are known trolls. Just ignore and don't interact with them anymore. No point wasting breath on people who aren't trying to argue in good faith.

Not fellating the game at every step = troll

Okay. Imagine defending Square at every opportunity while you play the race that square basically tells you "we wont put in any effort, please play any other race, thanks"

[Stormpeaks]

Not fellating the game at every step = troll

Okay. Imagine defending Square at every opportunity while you play the race that square basically tells you "we wont put in any effort, please play any other race, thanks"

That's their only defense tbh, and for them, arguing in "good faith" is basically giving up and saying "yeah okay i was wrong the game is great", its like an echo chamber of toxic positivity that these people want, it's like that one person that was telling me the game was losing players because of covid after I showed them charts, they just try and cope, and do all they can to convince themselves that the game is in good health and doing great, hell the same person even said that it was "on a steady growth path" yet the charts were proving otherwise and that the game lost about 20% of players in 2 months, and that's only for steam numbers, one can imagine how the SE version is doing if steam numbers are already like that.

[Kaurhz]

Not fellating the game at every step = troll

Okay. Imagine defending Square at every opportunity while you play the race that square basically tells you "we wont put in any effort, please play any other race, thanks"

And apparently not being unified or in agreement with your criticism = a white knight.

That is if we want to apply the same nonsensical extremes that you're attempting to present. I can assure you that working in extremes is not the big brain play you think it is.

Okay. Imagine being so upset with people disagreeing with your input that your reaction basically narrows down to "WAAAHH, WAAHH, Stohpppp whiteknighting"

[Shinkuno]

And apparently not being unified or in agreement with your criticism = a white knight.

That is if we want to apply the same nonsensical extremes that you're attempting to present. I can assure you that working in extremes is not the big brain play you think it is.

Okay. Imagine being so upset with people disagreeing with your input that your reaction basically narrows down to "WAAAHH, WAAHH, Stohpppp whiteknighting"

all i see is people deflecting critcism, rarely will someone put an actual counter argument. Here is 90% of arguments summed up:

-its always been like that!

-but wow bad!

-yoship said its okay to take a break!

[Kaurhz]

all i see is people deflecting critcism, rarely will someone put an actual counter argument. Here is 90% of arguments summed up:

-its always been like that!

-but wow bad!

-yoship said its okay to take a break!

Rarely? I highly think you're working under negativity bias in this regard. There are actually fairly reasonable counter-criticisms, that is if the criticism has anything noteworthy to provide a counter-criticism of in the first place and if it isn't underpinned by needless crying. Again, if we want to work in the same realm as extremism and poorly thought-out research then I could apply the following; 90% of criticisms offered up as of late can be summed up as thus:

[Inserts Andy Pipkin "I don't like it" meme here]

and yes, a lot of the criticisms that people have introduced have essentially been the case since Heavensward, and arguably since ARR itself. Does it negate the criticism? No. But is it anything new that people would be willing to assert it is? Nope. Simplified encounters? Sorry, this has been the case since Creator. It's hardly been exclusive to ShB and Endwalker. Same with dungeon design? Sorry but 99% of the dungeons, even those of the original ARR dungeons were corridor crawlers. Outliers are Tam-Tara and Haukke Manor off the top of my head. People routinely ignored these, even in the case of Haukke Manor, even when the additional 30 seconds of exploration could give rewards worth upwards of 100K in Gil. Just as a couple of examples from the top of my head. These are just asserting facts when people bring these up.

If people are going to respond in an abrasive tone with remarks such as "White Knight", "Shill", then people are only going to be more inclined to dismiss what you have to say, and are going to be more inclined to treat your posts in a self-same manner, honestly the number of people that seem to be unable to comprehend this is mind-boggling.

Sorry, but this whole attitude you're referring to is not really exclusive to 1-side, regardless of how much your personal feelings and bias may want to assert otherwise.