The TT card in Eureka orthos

[AetherHale]

I'd rather they put a Card behind Ultimates than Deep Dungeons. I can at least tolerate Ultimates.

That's fair, some people prefer one thing over others. But I think what I said about TT cards is true; they're essentially pseudo-acheivements. Prizes for content that aren't just titles or sparkly gear. If it was at floor 100 of Orthos you could make the point and have people agree, but this card is floors 40 below. Setup party finder, spend an hour or two, get the card and move on.

[ICountFrom0]

If it casts a spell with the word twist in it don't stop moving, then dont touch the green swirlie...all the other mechanics do damage but you can survive a hit or two before dying.

Since you are giving advice, what's the tell for the boss on 20? How can you tell when it's lines and when is it cones?

[CNitsah]

I really hate to ad hom but it really just feels like people want to be hand held the entire game and at level 90 you shouldn't need a baby sitter to do some of these things. Maybe consider mahjong or something that doesn't require post game content to collect things.

Did you even read any of my post other than this one? because the difficulty of the boss by itself is not the problem. It's difficulty, added to the "only 2 saves, so you'll probably need use a PF.", added to the "you can't party macth". Because of that I litterally just spent 3 hours and a half (only PF that didn't ask for 99) in on of those PF (died at 84). After 1h30 I was burned, I just hoped we'd die. I had the possibility to just leave, but I'm not a fan of that mentality. I'm pretty sure you would agree people just leaving a PF when they're bored, even if we didn't reach the goal implied is not a good thing. But right now, that's the best way to go. Because if you just say you go to 40 or 50, most people ignore it and you just end with people discovering the thing augmenting the probability of a wipe on the 40th floor boss. It's the whole combination I find punishing for casual players.

I'm not asking to decrease the farm, I ask the content to be accessible to casuals so you can do the content needed at your rythm. Like you can in other deep dungeons. Not forcing fixed party until lvl 50 would be the best way to do that. And the boss of the 40th floor being more difficult than 50, 60 and 70 bosses is just the cherry on top of a pile of decisions that seem made to either force casual players to play more intensely, or just abandon the idea of getting the card (for now?). When litterally ALL the other TT card let you get them at your own rythm (and I know what I'm talking about, I have them all except the MM one and the 2 you can't technically not have yet because of the lopporits quests), and don't push you to do the farm in one single session, because that's how the PF crowd mostly plays.

[AetherHale]

Since you are giving advice, what's the tell for the boss on 20? How can you tell when it's lines and when is it cones?

I mean the lines are him targeting a party member then casting the line, the cones are when he tethers to the monsters outside of the ring.

It's difficulty...

There's alot of points here so give me a minute:

1) The 2 save situation is...not a big problem, you could argue that it's artificial since it's a million dollar company and they can easily just add more slots, sure. But why do you need more than 2 Orthos groups? Let's say you and some friends play Orthos and one has to take their cat to disney world, fair enough, very nice, but now you have another slot. You can use that one for party finder, after you win/lose/clear Orthos their is little point in keeping it so just delete it. I had a group of friends climbing PotD and we reached ~150, one vanished and we didn't see them for a while, guess what I had to do? Take the L and delete the save. I'm just trying to figure out a scenario where you need multiple saves at any given times.

2)When it comes to no fixed parties past 50 you can see the reasoning why in PotD. Queing the floors that aren't 1/41 are long and hellish, its a very specific, non-roulette duty. After time it only gets hardeer and harder to find people. They can't make trust characters go through it with you since it involves different mechanics than just aoe's (Chests, aggro control, traps, etc). By shrinking the amount to just 30 I think they mitigate this problem, essentially, it's future proofing it.

3)I'm still trying to figure out why someone that is collecting ALL the TT cards is considered a casual. It's a time heavy commitment that requires game knowledge and post game movement. To get to some of the card players you have to clear content that isn't required to complete the story. If someone showed me their binder of all the pokemon cards ever made I would never consider them a casual. But this is just...I just feel like youre missing out how to get certain cards

-Cards are only through bozja, which requires ivalice raids
-Cards are only acquired through the weapon missions, not story related
-Cards are in StB Eureka, so deep that it requires you to level a character to atleast 51, through 4 exploratory zones, the collection of various items throughout each system and the defeat of several bosses(NM's)
-Cards cost <10k GS points, (The largest amount for a card is 1 MILLION GP, I can't remember when I touched that number last)
-Cards only come from placing 1st in multiple TT tournaments, which isn't a casual thing to do
-Cards are bought via gemstones
-Cards are bought via skybuilder scrips

Now compare those with "Finishing 2 dungeon instances solo or with a party" and I really don't get why this is the hardest one or the most 'non-casual' one.

[CNitsah]

There's alot of points here so give me a minute:
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1) is more people going "Sorry, my 2 slots are already taken, I would like to help you, but I can't erase them without letting other people down" . It's more something that push you toward the use of PF.

2) yeah but PoD has 200 hundred floor. I think pillar has exactly what I'm talking about, but I'm not sure.

3) I see a cusual player as someone that that play casually, whatever the time he has. As in, just try to play his class good enough to not be a pain for others, has no interest in high difficulty content, don't want the game to become something he has planning for. It's more in the mindset than the time he has. It's been 2 years since I decided to try to get all the cards so judging being casual player on that is a little off.

About the difference, I did a thread where I explain why I think it's different. My point might not have been well structured in first post, but I think I have developped it several time. Forcing the fixed party forced me to play how the PF crowd plays, which is very long sessions farmings (maybe that's different on other data center), because of the access conditions. I feel it's not in line with the "play how you want, leave if you want, and come back again" mentality they try to promote, and it's certainly different from all the other Cards. Farming yes, but if I couldn't find people I know to do it, I'd like to have more options that "either you're ready to do potentially 3 or 4 hours sessions, either you pass the content, either you act like a dick and leave when you have what you want". It's the first time I feel punished for my way of playing the game. I can accept that from high difficulty content and I'm fine with that. But for a TT card, it just feels off compared to the other 376.

[Ivtrix]

EO is not difficult in a group

[AetherHale]

1) is more people going "Sorry, my 2 slots are already taken, I would like to help you, but I can't erase them without letting other people down" . It's more something that push you toward the use of PF.

2) yeah but PoD has 200 hundred floor. I think pillar has exactly what I'm talking about, but I'm not sure.

3) I see a cusual player as someone that that play casually, whatever the time he has. As in, just try to play his class good enough to not be a pain for others, has no interest in high difficulty content, don't want the game to become something he has planning for. It's more in the mindset than the time he has. It's been 2 years since I decided to try to get all the cards so judging being casual player on that is a little off.

About the difference, I did a thread where I explain why I think it's different. My point might not have been well structured in first post, but I think I have developped it several time. Forcing the fixed party forced me to play how the PF crowd plays, which is very long sessions farmings (maybe that's different on other data center), because of the access conditions. I feel it's not in line with the "play how you want, leave if you want, and come back again" mentality they try to promote, and it's certainly different from all the other Cards. Farming yes, but if I couldn't find people I know to do it, I'd like to have more options that "either you're ready to do potentially 3 or 4 hours sessions, either you pass the content, either you act like a dick and leave when you have what you want". It's the first time I feel punished for my way of playing the game. I can accept that from high difficulty content and I'm fine with that. But for a TT card, it just feels off compared to the other 376.

At this point I'm just going to say it then, collecting TT is not a casual thing, it sounds like at this point you want the cards to be as easy as talking to NPC's. Collecting the TT cards is hardcore/midcore and not casual, this is emphasized by the TT mount which not every has, its not an easy thing to get. If you can't get all the cards then it is because you are not a hardcore TT collector.

[CNitsah]

At this point I'm just going to say it then, collecting TT is not a casual thing, it sounds like at this point you want the cards to be as easy as talking to NPC's. Collecting the TT cards is hardcore/midcore and not casual, this is emphasized by the TT mount which not every has, its not an easy thing to get. If you can't get all the cards then it is because you are not a hardcore TT collector.

Me: I think there is a problem with how you can access this card.
You: Yeah no, I think you just want to get the cards an easy way.
Me: No, I had zero problems with all the card you mentionned as hard to get, never complained about them (I had a very hard time with the Masked Carnivales ones but that because I hate that content). I just think there is something wrong with the way you get this one. Here is why
You: Yeah no, at this point, I think you just want to get the cards by just talking to npc.

That's basically our conversation... I don't know, I might be the only one thinking that, but I really don't understand how you guys get to that conclusion. That speech is so deeply rooted in the community it's baffling.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Masked Carnivale was by far the worst… but after you beat the boss, you could go and purchase it in the BLU shop. None of this RNG sack BS. lol

[JamieRose]

I'd rather they put a Card behind Ultimates than Deep Dungeons. I can at least tolerate Ultimates.

God no! Never do this, Squeenix!