Final Fantasy XIV Hot Takes

[Turnintino]

Thief Lv 50 Jobquest: The big heist at the Sultana's place
Objective: Get them coins!

Oh, hell yeah, the narrative possibilities for their job quests are limitless. That was a big part of my FOMO once I had to graduate to Ninja, that I wasn't getting anymore of that flavor -- but I could just imagine the possibilities.

Gameplay-wise, though, I assume THF would have been just as combo-oriented and backstabby as NIN. Never say never, of course, but at least from that perspective, I understand why the devs had to pick only one or the other. I just wish it had been THF, if only for the fantasy.

That said, I know there are plenty of Ninja-lovers out there, so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[VeyaAkemi]

Rogue should have never merged with Ninja, it should have remained Thief. FFXIV Devs did a iconic job, THF wrong

But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

[Soge01]

Y'shtola bongo cat should be a thing.

[ty_taurus]

But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

Personally, I think it would've been pretty cool if, to keep with the Final Fantasy tradition, having Thief be a job back during ARR that Rogue turns into. Thief has been avoided due to affiliations with crime and morality unbefitting of a Warrior of Light, and I can respect that mindset to a point, but I do think they could easily have spun the Thief job to be about espionage--like spies for Uldah who infiltrate and sabotage the corrupted wealthy who use their resources to avoid the law. Meanwhile, Ninja could've been added as a physical ranged job using a shuriken like with Yuffie rather than daggers. There's overlap in those identities, but Thief could've been spun about being more utility with an information gathering focus in contrast to the status as guards and assassins that Doma's shinobi embody.

[Mimilu]

Gameplay-wise, though, I assume THF would have been just as combo-oriented and backstabby as NIN. Never say never, of course, but at least from that perspective, I understand why the devs had to pick only one or the other. I just wish it had been THF, if only for the fantasy.

I like how Guild Wars 2 made their Thief's Steal ability steal an "item" from the target the thief could then use as a weapon or ability and different races/species and enemies had different items you could steal. ｡ﾟ✶ฺ.ヽ(*´∀`*)ﾉ.✶ฺﾟ｡

[Turnintino]

Thief has been avoided due to affiliations with crime and morality unbefitting of a Warrior of Light

I could never really buy that explanation, personally, because the Rogue storyline itself already proved they could give the archetype a(n anti)heroic spin. And hell, everyone knows Robin Hood. The Thief with a Heart of Gold is not a new concept, and the team's more than demonstrated they're very familiar lol. Imo, the excuse offered was platitude.

I like how Guild Wars 2 made their Thief's Steal ability steal an "item" from the target the thief could then use as a weapon or ability and different races/species and enemies had different items you could steal. ｡ﾟ✶ฺ.ヽ(*´∀`*)ﾉ.✶ฺﾟ｡

Another game I have a lot of love for. <3

[Mimilu]

On MCH, I miss the Ammo mechanic. (╯✧∇✧)╯
Having your character load 'em up and cock the gun was really satisfying. Scattershot has that same feeling now but still.
I would love if they took the bow/gun-mage gameplay and concept of HW's BRD and MCH and made a new caster job out of it: weak insta-cast spells that become stronger but gain a cast time whenever the user manually turns on a stance-ability and they have one or two abilities that give them stack to make those spells strong and insta-cast. (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑

[Jkap_Goat]

But... Rogue/Thief has always upgraded into Ninja? you literally cannot get more classic and iconic than that, FFI Thief upgrades into Ninja, FFT Ninja requires a high level in Thief, FFTA Ninja requires 2 Thief abilities, and these are just the examples that come to mind, this is the iconic path for the Job and XIV did it right.

FFXI THF and NIN was their own thing, only thing they had was the same was using daggers

[Mimilu]

Also, I enjoyed Godbert's gameplay: Gain stacks after doing your combo to use for abilities and drop-kicking around the battlefied.
I would really love a job that dashes and runs around battlefield (kind of like Titus's hit and run strategy from Dissidia). ヽ(´ω｀○)ﾉ.+ﾟ*｡:ﾟ+

[Jkap_Goat]

Personally, I think it would've been pretty cool if, to keep with the Final Fantasy tradition, having Thief be a job back during ARR that Rogue turns into. Thief has been avoided due to affiliations with crime and morality unbefitting of a Warrior of Light, and I can respect that mindset to a point, but I do think they could easily have spun the Thief job to be about espionage--like spies for Uldah who infiltrate and sabotage the corrupted wealthy who use their resources to avoid the law. Meanwhile, Ninja could've been added as a physical ranged job using a shuriken like with Yuffie rather than daggers. There's overlap in those identities, but Thief could've been spun about being more utility with an information gathering focus in contrast to the status as guards and assassins that Doma's shinobi embody.

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard... in FFXI Ninja and Thief are very different jobs, only thing they have in common is they can both use daggers (THF: Rank A in Daggers, NIN: Rank C in daggers) but FFXI jobs can use a lot of weapons and not just tied to one weapon like xiv jobs. jobs using daggers doesn't overlap identity.


in FFXI, you are the WoL, fighting to save the world of Vana'diel from engulfed by darkness, you can do all of this as a THF.

so that mindset makes no sense.