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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    And do what? Meander in the backlines and do absolutely nothing? Run off and try to find some random skirmish of 2-3 people accomplishing nothing?

    The zerg IS frontlines. Going back to the old damage values means melee simply cannot participate in the objectives and you'll just have almost entirely ranged players on the field with the exception of tanks.
    Oh no, the nontank melee actually have to play smart in frontlines instead of diving headlong knowing their inherent 60% DR will cushion most of the initial burst from enemies they will get.

    When I play reaper on frontlines, I don't worry about the damage output of enemies, I worry about the amount of CC that gets offloaded on me. Same with Samurai. Whoever said it was like playing Dynasty Warriors is right on the money. When you play as a ranged physical/caster you might as well be playing with 1HP for how squishy you are in comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    Oh no, the nontank melee actually have to play smart in frontlines instead of diving headlong knowing their inherent 60% DR will cushion most of the initial burst from enemies they will get.
    Yes, heaven forbid a melee has the durability to be in the front lines because, ya know, melee and all that. "Playing smart" in the old values just meant play ranged because melee would just evaporate trying to do anything other than running around in the backlines contributing to nothing.

    The 60% DR is fine. Melee still explode if they over extend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Yes, heaven forbid a melee has the durability to be in the front lines because, ya know, melee and all that. "Playing smart" in the old values just meant play ranged because melee would just evaporate trying to do anything other than running around in the backlines contributing to nothing.

    The 60% DR is fine. Melee still explode if they over extend.
    Now that's funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    Now that's funny.
    Its really not. With the exception of Nin, pretty much all of the melee are easy to kill if they overextend and get caught instead of falling back with their team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Its really not. With the exception of Nin, pretty much all of the melee are easy to kill if they overextend and get caught instead of falling back with their team.
    Take this guy's word for it, he solos melee on BRD in FL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
    Take this guy's word for it, he solos melee on BRD in FL.
    lol i doubt it, dude probably steals kills which is actually pretty easy to do on BRD.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
    Take this guy's word for it, he solos melee on BRD in FL.
    Sorry that you're bad at pvp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Sorry that you're bad at pvp?
    The first time, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and chalked it up to you maybe overreaching with your argument. It's a quick thing to engage in a bit of hyperbole, so no sweat.
    The second time you doubled down on it. Okay weird, you kept insisting that you're doing this stuff, despite it literally not being possible even in ideal conditions, like I showed you at that point.
    This is the third time you stick by that claim.

    Ransu, what you're proposing you're doing here is a lie.
    You are not soloing any melees in PvP, even if you have battle high 5, as a bard.
    You may be killing melees that already have half HP.
    You may be killing melees that have no cooldowns, have spent all their MP healing up damage from other people, that are also bad at the game.

    You may be killing melees if said melee is a dragoon who activates his damage taken debuff, in addition to being boosted by your own LB, your own Apex Arrow, an AST's Balance, a SCH's Galvanize, and the dragoon runs into a MCH's turret. But this scenario is not you soloing someone.

    To solo a melee character, you would have to deal between 57K and 60K damage to that character, not counting them using guard, MP heals, or any of their job's defensives. 60K damage through their 60% damage reduction.
    I have tested this many times by now, set up absolutely ideal laboratory conditions to deal the absolute maximum amount of burst damage on a stationary target that doesn't even fight back, and guess what: It's not 60K damage, even when stacking the damage buffs in the most flattering way possible, standing at max range for powerful shot, basically doing everything that is literally possible to maximize damage, then accounting for a theoretical BH5, stacking it in various ways to account for the fact that I'm not 100% on how the effects are stacked in practice within the FL itself.
    And guess what: The damage didn't reach 60K.
    It is not possible to kill an AFK melee job in FL on a Bard even with BH5. And that was your claim. That within the silence window alone, you could solo melees, and you do it frequently.

    When I confronted you with this in the past, you just linked me a picture of a scoreboard where you obviously stuck with your team, where you assisted friendlies, and obviously participated in group fights the entire, or very near the entire game. In other words, a screenshot that had nothing to do with what I asked you.

    But even that would be fine if you weren't being a condescending tool about things. Yet here we are.

    I ask you again, Ransu:
    How are you soloing these people? How are you killing them inside Silence windows?
    How are you, completely, 100% on your own, taking a melee player from 100% to 0% with ZERO outside assistance?

    Answer me truthfully, show me literally any kind of proof, and I'll be happy to admit to severely misjudging you.
    If you can't, then shove your comments where the sun doesn't shine and pike off.

    EDIT: More specific health values.
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    Last edited by Kansene; 03-15-2023 at 05:07 AM.