Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[SomeGuy22]

Does that sound better to you?

Tbh it's not that I was hoping for a cartoonishly grueling grind instead, I wouldn't mind a short step. But I was hoping for something different, y'know?
I took a break from the game before because my routine became "do roulettes, spam lvl 90 duties/hunt trains, then leave" for crafting mats. Coming back expecting a breath of fresh air and getting hit with "do roulettes, spam lvl 90 duties/hunt trains, then leave" again left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially comparing it to the previous expansion's relic questline.

[hobostew]

just wait till 6.3.5 guys it gets better
just wait till 6.4.5 guys it gets better
just wait till 6.5.5 guys it gets better
just wait till next expansion guys it gets better
just wait till first patch guys it gets better
and the cycle of excuses goes on

man it really feels like I've been through this same song and dance before

[Xelanar]

Relics quests are not needed to revive older content. Roulettes do that already. All relic grinds did was force players to do older content, which they complained about high and low, east to west. Now for some reason they want to do that?

For ARR, obviously you had to do current content since it was the base game after 1.0. But even HW relics grinds threw you into current content, even having to best the Warring Triad once again in order to finish it off. Relics started becoming less and less relevant along with the release of more expansions. Even in ShB where players could do Bozja, had alternatives to run old content if they wanted to do it that way. They made a big blunder here considering players could farm memories with a 100% drop rate from HW FATEs. They had to increase the rewards for instances like DR just to get players to run the damn thing after they completed it the first time.

Just as an example of what I mean, because I was not addressing the grind specifically: Unlocking Bozja requires clearing all 3 of the level 70 alliance raids, incentivicing people to UNLOCK those, who would otherwise have not.
More players with unlocked level 70 alliance raids translate into a higher chance of not getting Crystal Tower raids on alliance roulettes.

Roulettes by themselves cannot revive older OPTIONAL content, if there is no incentive for players to unlock said content in the first place. Why is alliance roulette Crystal Tower most of the time?
- Because it is forced story content that everyone doing alliance roulette has to have already unlocked by design.
- Because those raids have the lowest level and itemlevel entry requirements.

Currently these are the reasons to unlock optional older content:
- Curiosity and Interest in their lore
- Glamour
- Completionism

Adding more bullet points to the second list was something the relics used to acomplish better. This time around they only increase the amount of players who did Hildibrand's Quest, which at most can affect trial roulettes. Those do not suffer from the same issue both raid roulettes do though, because many trials are tied to the MSQ anyways.

[grinkdaboy]

it's quick and easy and you have a lot more options on how you want to get it done vs grind x fates in y zone / grind x raid y times. it's way better this way

[Tulvi]

(I swear to God this isn't a troll thread)

Why?

I'm pretty baffled that some players are defending the implementation of this step, and I want to get your reasoning for it. Is it because it isn't a grind that is set in stone (e.g run x raid y amount of times)? Does the step being the same as the first one not bother you? Do you not mind it, but wish it was somehow different? I just want to know/understand.

I know that the forum's cluttered with the topic, but I figured that a thread specifically for this question wouldn't (hopefully) instantly devolve into flame wars and name calling.

I like it because it introduces another degree of variety to the game. There’s now relics for both kinds of players - grind enjoyers and casual players.

[Stormpeaks]

I like it because it introduces another degree of variety to the game. There’s now relics for both kinds of players - grind enjoyers and casual players.

yeah because doing 2 hours of hunt trains is such a huge grind... lmao

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

yeah because doing 2 hours of hunt trains is such a huge grind... lmao

I haven't done hunt trains in... Years...



"lmao, doing 2 hours of fate trains is such a huge grind"



About all it takes for the fate steps.



Or any grind really. The longest grind in eureka was leveling. After that, easy.

[Xirean]

yeah because doing 2 hours of hunt trains is such a huge grind... lmao

Is there some reason you think the people who enjoy this step exclusively do hunt trains? Nobody I know who likes this step has ever done hunts even once.

[Stormpeaks]

Is there some reason you think the people who enjoy this step exclusively do hunt trains? Nobody I know who likes this step has ever done hunts even once.

Why would you not do hunt trains for it ? Is there an artificial reason why you should go at the slowest pace possible ?

[Kaurhz]

Why would you not do hunt trains for it ? Is there an artificial reason why you should go at the slowest pace possible ?

Because hunt trains are not always up and available, obviously.

There hasn't been one on Chaos for the past 90 minutes, for example