Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[Xelanar]

Because back in the day, relics were used to revive older content, incentivicing players to unlock and do it.
I'm tired of seeing Crystal Tower in alliance roulettes and The Fist of the Father or even worse - the Cuff of the Father - in my normal raid roulettes.

But besides that, normally I only go for a single relic. I was looking forward to a long term goal, then I got my relic with 0 effort, because I was already capped on tomestones.

[Jojoya]

The way yoshida kept mentioning island sanctuary is taking away the relic zone... kind of feel like relic was going to basically be another eureka style deal.

When did he say that? People keep parroting that but can never provide a source.

Eureka Orthos and the Sil'dihn Subterrane are far more likely to be the content that took away from creating a new relic zone. We know there's another Variant/Criterion dungeon that had been announced for release in 6.4 and I'm hearing mixed comments about there is/isn't a third in 6.5.

Eureka had a huge amount of hate even if SE had addressed some of the more complaints by the last release. More seemed to have enjoyed Bozja but even that had mixed response just as ARR and HW grinds had their mixed response. Another thing many players had been asking for was more choice in content for the grinds.

So this seems to be the expansion of choice instead of being told you only have X or Y content to choose from. Those complaining they were able to get their relic first day are still the outliers. Not everyone would have had 1500+ Astronomy available, nor would have had the time to grind that much out in one day.

[Burmecia]

I don't miss "run gordias nm 800 times (｡•̀ᴗ-)" or the absolute legend "10 books pls ◝(⁰▿⁰)◜" THAT much to find it from within myself to be that mad.

To me the level of frustration of the relic grind never made it more meaningful.
It just made it frustrating equal to the level of frustration.

[Supersnow845]

When did he say that? People keep parroting that but can never provide a source.

Eureka Orthos and the Sil'dihn Subterrane are far more likely to be the content that took away from creating a new relic zone. We know there's another Variant/Criterion dungeon that had been announced for release in 6.4 and I'm hearing mixed comments about there is/isn't a third in 6.5.

Eureka had a huge amount of hate even if SE had addressed some of the more complaints by the last release. More seemed to have enjoyed Bozja but even that had mixed response just as ARR and HW grinds had their mixed response. Another thing many players had been asking for was more choice in content for the grinds.

So this seems to be the expansion of choice instead of being told you only have X or Y content to choose from. Those complaining they were able to get their relic first day are still the outliers. Not everyone would have had 1500+ Astronomy available, nor would have had the time to grind that much out in one day.

Having 1500 times at launch is not an outlier, and it’s basically one set of roulettes

And where is this choice, EO and criterion don’t even give you the tomes you need for the relic, if you want the tomes (and don’t somehow already have them) it’s time for A2N and circus tower for the 807th time

[Reinha]

It's why I'm not really understanding the complaints, with the same people also pointing at the ARR relic steps as good design. This is literally the exact same 2nd step as ARR's relic.

The second step of the ARR relic was released in 2.0, not a later patch. We've waited 15 months for this seconds step. It's disingenuous to compare this to the second step to ARR when in reality the length of the relic quest has halved and we have to wait half an expansion to even start it.

By patch 2.38 (compared to 6.35 we are in now) there were the base weapon step, Zenith, Atma, Animus, Novus and Nexus. 6 steps that were all different. Both the Zodiac relic and the Hildebrand relic have only two more updates after patch X.4, which means that half of this relic is just collecting 3000 tomes and that's it. What a disgrace.

[VeyaAkemi]

All the blue mages awaken from their slumber

"After 10,000 years, I am free! It's time to conquer HW!"

[Chrisie]

I don't dislike it because it's only the second step.

[Gemina]

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

The poster you quoted is correct. It IS about BiS, otherwise a shiny toy that is only good for glamour is the only reason to do the quest. Many of you seem to think you're playing a game with horizontal progression, or desire a game that does play that way. This is not FFXIV.

I am totally on board with having something to work towards when all of that time and effort actually means something; when the delayed gratification truly rewards you for all your time and effort. If the relic weapon is not BiS, and does not remain BiS well into the next patch then there is no point giving players a tedious grind for what is essentially nothing more than glamour or a catchup weapon at best.

You, yourself just admitted that you can get the relic from previously capped tomes doing content you are bored with. So why on Earth are you supporting going right back into that content to grind for a meaningless weapon? Even worse, it's content that will sync you down to lower levels, which players have voiced over and over again is not fun for them. The tomes is the only reason, the only incentive for them to go back into that content.

[Gemina]

Because back in the day, relics were used to revive older content, incentivicing players to unlock and do it.

Relics quests are not needed to revive older content. Roulettes do that already. All relic grinds did was force players to do older content, which they complained about high and low, east to west. Now for some reason they want to do that?

For ARR, obviously you had to do current content since it was the base game after 1.0. But even HW relics grinds threw you into current content, even having to best the Warring Triad once again in order to finish it off. Relics started becoming less and less relevant along with the release of more expansions. Even in ShB where players could do Bozja, had alternatives to run old content if they wanted to do it that way. They made a big blunder here considering players could farm memories with a 100% drop rate from HW FATEs. They had to increase the rewards for instances like DR just to get players to run the damn thing after they completed it the first time.

[Laytnor]

1. I am not herded to do one specific piece of content to farm mogshite whiskers or something like that, tomestones approach is pretty open, right now I can progress my weapons just by farming Eureka Orthos.
2. I am fine with some big grinds, but I don't only play a few jobs. I will be gunning for plenty. This makes things less complicated.
3. If I want a big grind, I can do multitude of grinds in this game, such as hunt achievements. If I want a grindy relic weapon, I can do the hellscape that is a zodiac weapon again. There's nothing wrong with one stage of one set of relic weapons being more accessible.
4. We're still on different colors/glows of FIRST stage of relic weapon. I am expecting to see different approach on actual next stage of a weapon when we get a different model.
5. I'm not a baby, if I don't like or care about specific content, I can just ignore it, such as ultimates. I don't intend to do them, nor do I care about it, but I will not throw hissy fits over them releasing it for people who do care.