FF14 needs WvW or RvR

[Bobby66]

Or we hate both.

In WoW, I hated other players attacking me while I'm trying to get other things done even though I was on a Normal world and supposedly immune to the effects of world PvP as long as I did not turn on my PvP flag (I was not).

When I wanted to PvP, I'd go into a battleground.

Then I started to hate PvP in general because of the toxic players that were attracted by it.

I have no issues if world PvP is kept isolated to very specific worlds designated for it. Let those who enjoy world PvP have their fun. I want no part of it.

Of course, the reality is no one wants to be on the side that's usually losing. They end up transferring to the winning side. Next thing you know, there's no one to oppose you in PvP because you've turned it into a gankfest. It's that, as much as the OP racials, that caused the majority of WoW players to switch to Horde instead of Horde and Alliance ending up fairly evenly matched.

As others have said, sound good in practice but never works out in the long run. PvP that's tied to any sort of faction system (even if those factions are servers) doesn't work out.


And then wonder why they're having a hard time finding members of an opposing faction so they can kill them.

How did players attack you if you were not on a PvP server or had war mode turned on? A song comes into music head but I will refrain from linking it.

[TheMightyMollusk]

How did players attack you if you were not on a PvP server or had war mode turned on?

If you used an AoE attack and a player flagged for PvP walked into it, they'd get hit and you'd get flagged. Griefers love to do it so they can pick a fight whether you wanted it or not, and a number of classes had AoE skills as part of their single target rotations.

[Shinkuno]

If you used an AoE attack and a player flagged for PvP walked into it, they'd get hit and you'd get flagged. Griefers love to do it so they can pick a fight whether you wanted it or not, and a number of classes had AoE skills as part of their single target rotations.

shouldnt be possible on a pve server

[TheMightyMollusk]

shouldnt be possible on a pve server

It was on WoW. No idea if it still is, but back in Wrath it happened to me a few times.

[Shinkuno]

It was on WoW. No idea if it still is, but back in Wrath it happened to me a few times.

definitely shouldnt happen unless you flagged yourself for pvp (either manually on your portrait frame or automatically if you attack a enemy factions npc)

[Bobby66]

If you used an AoE attack and a player flagged for PvP walked into it, they'd get hit and you'd get flagged. Griefers love to do it so they can pick a fight whether you wanted it or not, and a number of classes had AoE skills as part of their single target rotations.

When was this? Cause when I played back in 2018 AoE would not flag you, and on classic servers you also did not get flagged for AoE'ing someone that was flagged.

[Thaciscokidd]

When was this? Cause when I played back in 2018 AoE would not flag you, and on classic servers you also did not get flagged for AoE'ing someone that was flagged.

I can vouch to seen it as late as last December during the Pre expac event on Illidan.

[Bobby66]

I can vouch to seen it as late as last December during the Pre expac event on Illidan.

I could not duplicate it, lol resubbed to try it. Though i asked friends had it happen to them they said yeah. Seems like a weird bug and not the standard.

[Shinkuno]

I could not duplicate it, lol resubbed to try it. Though u asked friends had it happen to them they said yeah. Seems like a weird bug and not the standard.

Id bet good money that people have crossed over og/sw while flying to the event zones and got pvp flagged without noticing

[VelKallor]

When was this? Cause when I played back in 2018 AoE would not flag you, and on classic servers you also did not get flagged for AoE'ing someone that was flagged.

It happened during MoP , was the cause of a gigantic thread on the matter, plus massive GM complaints. There was this toy called the Censer, and pvpers used it to FORCEFLAG people "I want my coins"...again, the selfish pvp mentality, they cant be bothered with what others want, its all about MEEEEEEEEEEE.

War Mode was the response to this idiocy...what was the devs attitude? Dangling carrots like increased xp for PVE players of they turned War Mode on. I dont know if the devs are pigheaded, singleminded or just plain STUPID..but the basic concept that it doesnt matter WHAT you offer, if players dont want to do an activity THEY DONT WANT TO DO IT , so no amount of "incentive" will change their minds.

When a player says they dont like a specific activity, grabbing them by the neck and forcibly shoving their faces in it ISNT going to accomplish a damned thing, other than that person then hating your guts.

Then again, in light of past events, the fact that Blizzard staff couldnt or wouldnt accept the words "no means no" became pretty much self evident.

Murdering all the guards and NPCs in places like Ogrimaar makes me a selfish griefer?

When it means you are interfering with others gameplay, yes it does. Thats why the "dog in the manger" parallel applies: you dont need it, you dont want it, but no one else can have it or use it. Did you ever stop to think of OTHER players? The fact that what you were doing was stopping them from finishing their quests??

No?

Didnt think so.

Can we stay on topic and not complain about open world pvp? OP did not even ask for it.

We are on topic "I want to pvp at hunts"