FF14 needs WvW or RvR

[Bobby66]

If you used an AoE attack and a player flagged for PvP walked into it, they'd get hit and you'd get flagged. Griefers love to do it so they can pick a fight whether you wanted it or not, and a number of classes had AoE skills as part of their single target rotations.

When was this? Cause when I played back in 2018 AoE would not flag you, and on classic servers you also did not get flagged for AoE'ing someone that was flagged.

[Thaciscokidd]

When was this? Cause when I played back in 2018 AoE would not flag you, and on classic servers you also did not get flagged for AoE'ing someone that was flagged.

I can vouch to seen it as late as last December during the Pre expac event on Illidan.

[Bobby66]

I can vouch to seen it as late as last December during the Pre expac event on Illidan.

I could not duplicate it, lol resubbed to try it. Though i asked friends had it happen to them they said yeah. Seems like a weird bug and not the standard.

[Shinkuno]

I could not duplicate it, lol resubbed to try it. Though u asked friends had it happen to them they said yeah. Seems like a weird bug and not the standard.

Id bet good money that people have crossed over og/sw while flying to the event zones and got pvp flagged without noticing

[VelKallor]

When was this? Cause when I played back in 2018 AoE would not flag you, and on classic servers you also did not get flagged for AoE'ing someone that was flagged.

It happened during MoP , was the cause of a gigantic thread on the matter, plus massive GM complaints. There was this toy called the Censer, and pvpers used it to FORCEFLAG people "I want my coins"...again, the selfish pvp mentality, they cant be bothered with what others want, its all about MEEEEEEEEEEE.

War Mode was the response to this idiocy...what was the devs attitude? Dangling carrots like increased xp for PVE players of they turned War Mode on. I dont know if the devs are pigheaded, singleminded or just plain STUPID..but the basic concept that it doesnt matter WHAT you offer, if players dont want to do an activity THEY DONT WANT TO DO IT , so no amount of "incentive" will change their minds.

When a player says they dont like a specific activity, grabbing them by the neck and forcibly shoving their faces in it ISNT going to accomplish a damned thing, other than that person then hating your guts.

Then again, in light of past events, the fact that Blizzard staff couldnt or wouldnt accept the words "no means no" became pretty much self evident.

Murdering all the guards and NPCs in places like Ogrimaar makes me a selfish griefer?

When it means you are interfering with others gameplay, yes it does. Thats why the "dog in the manger" parallel applies: you dont need it, you dont want it, but no one else can have it or use it. Did you ever stop to think of OTHER players? The fact that what you were doing was stopping them from finishing their quests??

No?

Didnt think so.

Can we stay on topic and not complain about open world pvp? OP did not even ask for it.

We are on topic "I want to pvp at hunts"

[RitsukoSonoda]

It happened during MoP , was the cause of a gigantic thread on the matter, plus massive GM complaints. There was this toy called the Censer, and pvpers used it to FORCEFLAG people "I want my coins"...again, the selfish pvp mentality, they cant be bothered with what others want, its all about MEEEEEEEEEEE.

War Mode was the response to this idiocy...what was the devs attitude? Dangling carrots like increased xp for PVE players of they turned War Mode on. I dont know if the devs are pigheaded, singleminded or just plain STUPID..but the basic concept that it doesnt matter WHAT you offer, if players dont want to do an activity THEY DONT WANT TO DO IT , so no amount of "incentive" will change their minds.

When a player says they dont like a specific activity, grabbing them by the neck and forcibly shoving their faces in it ISNT going to accomplish a damned thing, other than that person then hating your guts.

Then again, in light of past events, the fact that Blizzard staff couldnt or wouldnt accept the words "no means no" became pretty much self evident.



When it means you are interfering with others gameplay, yes it does. Thats why the "dog in the manger" parallel applies: you dont need it, you dont want it, but no one else can have it or use it. Did you ever stop to think of OTHER players? The fact that what you were doing was stopping them from finishing their quests??

No?

Didnt think so.



We are on topic "I want to pvp at hunts"

Or perhaps it's more of an issue of their fellow high level horde players who most definitely were in the area as well but did nothing to stop me? At least the NPCs fought back. I remember camping in one of them for a couple hours waiting on ppl to group up to pick a fight with one of the faction leader NPCs. Hell all those low levels working together probably could have done it too. I mean the Imperial Guard in Warhammer 40K proved diddly can accomplish anything if you use enough of it.

Ultimately whether open world PvP is good or bad in a title boils down to the individual title's player base.

I played a number of F2P MMORPGs that had open world PvP that wasn't a crap show of annoying gankers. I've played others as well where the player base had turned it into a shit festival.