Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[Themarvin]

(I swear to God this isn't a troll thread)

Why?

I'm pretty baffled that some players are defending the implementation of this step, and I want to get your reasoning for it. Is it because it isn't a grind that is set in stone (e.g run x raid y amount of times)? Does the step being the same as the first one not bother you? Do you not mind it, but wish it was somehow different? I just want to know/understand.

I know that the forum's cluttered with the topic, but I figured that a thread specifically for this question wouldn't (hopefully) instantly devolve into flame wars and name calling.

This is just the second step previous relics second steps was also dead easy, more will come to it later on and that is just fine as it is, and that is about it... got to let them do it at their pace and also for a good start make it easy so can up all then later on decide on which ones you actually want to max out when it get more annoying to do, and yes this is just second step.

Happy they did not make that crazy way it was back in ARR and the likes but back then the game did not have much content due to it was freshly remade as it is so people needed to be kept busy at stuff for quite a while with little reward if any at all.

[seolhyun]

"it is only the second step" do u not see this as a problem in general? endwalker is over a year old and the major patches are 3/5 done. relic has been 0 content for 3/5 of the expansion. just a tome sink for when u hit the cap. no thought or effort.

[DiaDeem]

Why would I dislike it? It's simple, it's straightforward and I can progress while doing anything else I want.

I made Zeta weapons when ATMA grinding was current content, with the original drop rate. I had to pick up books one after the other, being made kill 900 specific enemies and sit down for literal hours waiting for each one of the 27 specific FATEs to decide to spawn, and hope someone didn't kill them before I arrived, and gotta make sure you have your relic equiped or it won't even count. Anyone who made a Zeta weapon back then knows what it feels like to wait for 40 minutes for a FATE to spawn, only to realize you had your Soldiery/Coil weapon equiped instead of your relic. Did you know they adjusted the spawn rate of these FATEs because some could take over an hour to spawn? Oh, and that's just one step for one weapon.

Does that sound better to you? It wasn't interesting. challenging or engaging. It was a waste of time and nothing more than busywork. People quit this game because of that quest.
All you have to do right now is run your favorite dungeons or trials for some Astronomy and you're set.

Why don't I hate this step? Because I know how bad it can get, and this is not it. Not by a very long shot.
Pray they don't come up with some Animus Book or ATMA level bullshit for the next step, because then you'll wish you were just grinding Astronomy once again.

[Kaurhz]

"it is only the second step" do u not see this as a problem in general? endwalker is over a year old and the major patches are 3/5 done. relic has been 0 content for 3/5 of the expansion. just a tome sink for when u hit the cap. no thought or effort.

I see a problem with it, yes.

I also see a problem with farming FATEs and/or dungeons ad nauseam. Eureka was just over-glorified FATEs on ad nauseam. Resistance relics were hardly what I would call a respectable grind either - It was 60 FATEs + 6 Level 60 dungeons. It's barely longer than the tome grind.

[DiaDeem]

I also see a problem with farming FATEs and/or dungeons ad nauseam

1080 HW FATEs for all Resistance Weapons.

Fun, right?

[Kaurhz]

1080 HW FATEs for all Resistance Weapons.

Fun, right?

Absolutely, it's 10/10 riveting gameplay - Seriously though, you could actually do it quite a bit faster too if you were doing organized farm groups for the 4th legion monsters in the southern front. Frankly, we've not really had anything hands-on since Eureka (and as much as I like it), and even then this had considerable shortcomings to where you could actually AFK through most of it. People even complained fairly intensively at the time about leeching too. Anemos and Pagos are what you would get if you were to slap a relic on top of the original HW Diadem.

[McChaffee]

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

if it is just some small tomes and add to ur latest random alt class then what is the point? we have tome weapons already which i dont think people realize.

This doesn't refute my point, all you did was reinforce it. You're working towards something that isn't that great outside of being catch-up gear or a niche stat-stick for Ultimates. If the item does not have a practical game use in its category, then the grind shouldn't be something absurd or long. Complaining about the relic's step being "less meaningful" makes way more sense if it had the equivalent status of a Legendary Weapon like in GW2.

Add 5 or 10 ilvls to the relic and then I think it's completely justified to complain about the grind being far easier/less complex than it should be.

[Nezerius]

Why would I dislike it? It's simple, it's straightforward and I can progress while doing anything else I want.

I made Zeta weapons when ATMA grinding was current content, with the original drop rate. I had to pick up books one after the other, being made kill 900 specific enemies and sit down for literal hours waiting for each one of the 27 specific FATEs to decide to spawn, and hope someone didn't kill them before I arrived, and gotta make sure you have your relic equiped or it won't even count. Anyone who made a Zeta weapon back then knows what it feels like to wait for 40 minutes for a FATE to spawn, only to realize you had your Soldiery/Coil weapon equiped instead of your relic. Did you know they adjusted the spawn rate of these FATEs because some could take over an hour to spawn? Oh, and that's just one step for one weapon.

Does that sound better to you? It wasn't interesting. challenging or engaging. It was a waste of time and nothing more than busywork. People quit this game because of that quest.
All you have to do right now is run your favorite dungeons or trials for some Astronomy and you're set.

Why don't I hate this step? Because I know how bad it can get, and this is not it. Not by a very long shot.
Pray they don't come up with some Animus Book or ATMA level bullshit for the next step, because then you'll wish you were just grinding Astronomy once again.

I think you're missing the point of the relic weapons. The game generally had three paths to obtaining a weapon at a decent/good iLvl:

Long term path: Relic weapon. A mindless grind that just about anyone could complete, as long as they're able to put in the time.
Semi-short term path: Savage/Augmented tomestone weapon. Requiring the player to be skilled enough to clear the 2nd/3rd floor, or the 4th one on Savage.
Short term path: Extreme trial weapon. The in-between option. Lower difficulty than Savage, but requiring more skill than a mindless grind would.

Turning the relic weapon steps into something that can be completed with two days worth of roulettes removes the long term aspect of it. Along with the reason for this path to even exist in the first place.
At that point, you might as well just add a second augment option for the crafted weapon. Obtain the crafted weapon with the even numbered patch, augment it in the odd numbered patch, augment it again two months after said odd numbered patch.

[Raven2014]

Turning the relic weapon steps into something that can be completed with two days worth of roulettes removes the long term aspect of it.

How about you come back and say that once the Expansion is over? Consider there are 3-4 more steps in the process this is a premature conclusion at best.

[RyuDragnier]

How about you come back and say that once the Expansion is over? Consider there are 3-4 more steps in the process this is a premature conclusion at best.

Doubly so because every relic since ARR has had some REALLY grindy and annoying things to do to power them up. We're only on Step 2 out of likely 5-7 steps.