Question for the people who don't dislike the 2nd relic step

[seolhyun]

What meaningful grind? The only point where relics have hit BiS status in previous expansions is always well after the content they would be good for clearing is already being regularly farmed. In terms of actual usage after their expansions, they only are consistently good for scaling into Ultimates. Unless you're doing Ultimates, you're not getting much for completing them unless you're dramatically behind on current gear when they're released.

Unless you're doing that, the only thing you're really getting out of the weapons is a shiny look with a glow effect.

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

if it is just some small tomes and add to ur latest random alt class then what is the point? we have tome weapons already which i dont think people realize. why even have tome weapons then? just put every relic appearance on the vendor and stop making ppl wait a year for 5 min questline. btw it is hilarious they put 6.3 out 2 months ago and we had to wait around with nothing to do and all we got is a 5 min questline where u play as a naked dude hitting robots.

[Chasingstars]

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

if it is just some small tomes and add to ur latest random alt class then what is the point? we have tome weapons already which i dont think people realize. why even have tome weapons then? just put every relic appearance on the vendor and stop making ppl wait a year for 5 min questline. btw it is hilarious they put 6.3 out 2 months ago and we had to wait around with nothing to do and all we got is a 5 min questline where u play as a naked dude hitting robots.

Have you done the splendorous tools stuff yet that were also added with this patch? Its for crafting and gathering. Its also a follow up to the stuff from the manderville quests. Its also far more grindy compared to the manderville stuff. Currently I have the crystalline relics for alchemy, botany, fishing, and mining; currently working on culinarian. Time may vary but for me at least it took quite a few hours each day for each one.

[Gemina]

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

The poster you quoted is correct. It IS about BiS, otherwise a shiny toy that is only good for glamour is the only reason to do the quest. Many of you seem to think you're playing a game with horizontal progression, or desire a game that does play that way. This is not FFXIV.

I am totally on board with having something to work towards when all of that time and effort actually means something; when the delayed gratification truly rewards you for all your time and effort. If the relic weapon is not BiS, and does not remain BiS well into the next patch then there is no point giving players a tedious grind for what is essentially nothing more than glamour or a catchup weapon at best.

You, yourself just admitted that you can get the relic from previously capped tomes doing content you are bored with. So why on Earth are you supporting going right back into that content to grind for a meaningless weapon? Even worse, it's content that will sync you down to lower levels, which players have voiced over and over again is not fun for them. The tomes is the only reason, the only incentive for them to go back into that content.

[McChaffee]

it is not about being bis or any of that. it is about having something to work towards. these relics are no effort, just do a goofy quest with hildebrand or whatever, who is not even funny btw, and turn in tomes that u have already capped from the last 3 months of boredom.

if it is just some small tomes and add to ur latest random alt class then what is the point? we have tome weapons already which i dont think people realize.

This doesn't refute my point, all you did was reinforce it. You're working towards something that isn't that great outside of being catch-up gear or a niche stat-stick for Ultimates. If the item does not have a practical game use in its category, then the grind shouldn't be something absurd or long. Complaining about the relic's step being "less meaningful" makes way more sense if it had the equivalent status of a Legendary Weapon like in GW2.

Add 5 or 10 ilvls to the relic and then I think it's completely justified to complain about the grind being far easier/less complex than it should be.