Well I think we at a new low .

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

A gross misunderstanding and frankly an indirect ad-hominem attack on those who have that genuine complaint. If someone is taking a break for X amount of time to come back to the game, then they still find the game enjoyable enough to invest time into it. However, unlike the white knights on this forum, people would also like to save money while not playing a game for X amount of time. Doing that requires you to unsub which would forfeit your house in 45 days (since you cant access it in that time). It's really a simple concept

Its not an ad-hominem attack if its true. With my post being a direct response to somebody who literally mentioned losing their housing if they take a break.
I think I understood that quite well...doesn't stop it from being weird, or sounding Unhealthy.Yes you should take a break if you arnt having fun...it sounds like we both agree here, but you are fighting me about it XD

Because XIV has made housing THE game at this point. CBU:III has developed that unhealthy relationship with our need to be social with items and a virtual building we can design. They then FOMO it so that we have no real ability to re-gain that true end-game unless we stay subbed.

How are we not allowed to be upset at that fact? It's fine that other people can basically let that content go, but anyone that's actually played long enough know that it's not just something you let go of.

It'd be like if The Sims deleted your house every time you stopped playing, then when you wanted to play again after a few months it made you do a lottery to get it back. It's the same basic idea. Especially when we know there isn't much other content to keep us occupied otherwise, it makes The Sims part of XIV basically the only thing we can do.

If we eventually get proper instanced housing, something like WildStar (Bless their heart), then it wouldn't be this way and we could all live comfortably knowing we can unsub when there's no combat content.

We gain nothing for praising FOMO, we all lose as players because of it. Let us be upset at that, so we can grow and be a better game. Please.

...no, that is COMPLETELY false, YOU, and many other people decided Housing was the Game, its really not that important.
But I understand its hard enough to get one, and they didnt develop the best system so everyone could have one in the 1st place.
However its completely false, and insane to say Housing is THE game.
Neve rmade an argument that you can/cant be, my point is its weird and unhealthy to feel so shackled to a game BECAUSE of a House.

Nobody Praised FOMO, man, always funny when people create nonsense like this out of thin air.
We arnt even arguing about "A better game" we are talking about people paying a sub and logging on just for their housing.

People put in effort into those houses, it's trashy to see them go to waste. All because despite people saying "Oh you can just take a break", that's the achievement you lose. And getting a house back is beyond garbage.

First, the loss of a plot means you just wasted 3m+ you probably farmed for just like that.
Then you need to go all the way back to the start and compete with so many other players who want a house as well.
If you have anything larger than a Small, the loss is higher.
Plus, ok sure, you lost the house, but you resub and "you can just get another one". a) what, to lose it again, and b) what, and spend a decent portion of that time without the house?

Imagine if you spent all that time playing Pokémon, finished your pokédex, but then just because you didn't load the game in X time, you lost all that progress. Sure, you can just go back and do it all over again... but what's the point in that? You likely wouldn't want to do that again either. It's just a digital collection, who cares, right? Well, true, it's a digital achievement, it's as flimsy as it can get. But there's a principle for the consumer somewhere there, part of enjoying the game and the rewards/achievements that come with it, even if they're just personal. And a game not respecting that is just as backwards as caring too much about it, you know?

If Im finished playing Pokemon, Im finished.
Maybe Im different, but I dont very often return to games Im done with, unless it is TRULY special. And in that case, I wouldn't mind re-experiencing it and starting over.

The point the other 2 people are missing here is, Im not saying this is an OK system, not at all. It is trash, and the Devs know it.
Just that: as we agreed, its pretty weird...Im not sure if Ill say Pathetic, but Unhealthy, to Feel The NEED to keep wasting money or keep coming into a game you arnt enjoying, just for that House.

Oh you lapsed your sub? Let me just take "The Necromancer" title away from you. You can start over when you come back tho!

Ok now you are just getting silly.

[Midareyukki]

Its not an ad-hominem attack if its true. With my post being a direct response to somebody who literally mentioned losing their housing if they take a break.
I think I understood that quite well...doesn't stop it from being weird, or sounding Unhealthy.Yes you should take a break if you arnt having fun...it sounds like we both agree here, but you are fighting me about it XD

I'm not "fighting", first of all. Don't be so aggressive. I'm literally not in the mood to fight anyone, and I really don't think fighting the FF14 community is productive at all.

I'm just saying that it's not so clear-cut, a lot of people actually do hold some value to what they achieve in a videogame. It's just that the game should respect that in turn, and this limitation isn't doing that.

If you finish Pokémon and call it at that, cool for you. You're not wrong in doing so. Several people, myself included, spend a lot more time afterward completing the pokédex, getting shinies, clearing the rest of the game. And I'm not wrong in doing so either. Same as owning a house in this game.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm not "fighting", first of all. Don't be so aggressive.

...Bruh
That was Directed at @TomsYoungerBro
Or is that secretly an ALT?

Also...what Aggression? I said we Agree on these things...

[R041]

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With as many content lulls we've survived through since 2.0 - Yes, housing is the game. Especially if you've owned an FC for every lull.

Housing also keeps the markets alive through a lull because everyone's constantly re-designing their houses. So considering we get more lull than not, it is the game at this point. Because it's basically the only MMO content that's actually alive in the MMO.

They can take a month off and then come back. I swear, people act like they lose everything for taking 30 days off. You have 45 days, 45 DAYS. You can log in on the final day of your sub, exit the game in your house, and then take a month off. Come back a month later, repay sub, enter the game and then enter your house, the house is now saved from demolition. By the Twelve, it's not a hard concept to grasp, but people clutch their pearls and act like they're being asked to sacrifice their firstborn child.

We get patches every month? lol

No, when I want to take a break, I'd take a break until next patch cycle. What psycho actually manages their sub like that? You people keep saying this as if it's a reasonable thing to do, to constantly micro-manage your sub to the point I have to set an alarm for every time I need to renew my sub throughout the year so I don't lose the house.

Also, this doesn't take away from the fact that I'd still need to manage the sub itself for that whole period. You're actually making it more annoying in general by doing that. I'd rather just pay the damn sub and limit my Retainers. I want to NOT have a sub AT ALL for the WHOLE period of the lull.

Straight up delusional, nobody's doing this in practice.

[RyuDragnier]

We get patches every month? lol

No, when I want to take a break, I'd take a break until next patch cycle. What psycho actually manages their sub like that? You people keep saying this as if it's a reasonable thing to do, to constantly micro-manage your sub to the point I have to set an alarm for every time I need to renew my sub throughout the year so I don't lose the house.

Also, this doesn't take away from the fact that I'd still need to manage the sub itself for that whole period. You're actually making it more annoying in general by doing that. I'd rather just pay the damn sub and limit my Retainers. I want to NOT have a sub AT ALL for the WHOLE period of the lull.

Straight up delusional, nobody's doing this in practice.

Then I'll be honest, if I had the ability to remove your house from you right now while also refunding all the gil you spent, I would. Because if you're forcing yourself to play the game over a simple house, you have serious problems. If you want to take a break, then take a break, lose your house, why should it matter to you when you want nothing to do with the game until the next big patch? I really don't care about you losing your house, because if you're making yourself miserable, then remove what is making you miserable instead of wallowing in your sorrow. But no, we both know you won't do that, you'd rather blame SE then actually do something that you feel would be good for you, and that's taking a break. The only one keeping that house as a shackle is you. I bet you don't even use that house all that often.

[R041]

Then I'll be honest, if I had the ability to remove your house from you right now while also refunding all the gil you spent, I would. Because if you're forcing yourself to play the game over a simple house, you have serious problems. If you want to take a break, then take a break, lose your house, why should it matter to you when you want nothing to do with the game until the next big patch? I really don't care about you losing your house, because if you're making yourself miserable, then remove what is making you miserable instead of wallowing in your sorrow. But no, we both know you won't do that, you'd rather blame SE then actually do something that you feel would be good for you, and that's taking a break. The only one keeping that house as a shackle is you. I bet you don't even use that house all that often.

I'm not miserable, I want to keep my house and play FFXIV Sims. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

Stop being weird, you people make so many assumptions just because we're unhappy with some things. You so badly want us to be upset at everything and Yoshi.

You're salivating at the idea that you can create a villain, it's pathetic.

[RyuDragnier]

I'm not miserable, I want to keep my house and play FFXIV Sims. Why is this so difficult to comprehend?

Stop being weird, you people make so many assumptions just because we're unhappy with some things. You so badly want us to be upset at everything and Yoshi.

You're salivating at the idea that you can create a villain, it's pathetic.

No, I'm concerned that ya'll obsess over losing your house because you don't want to take a break, and then you make excuses for not even taking a single month off to prevent yourself from losing the house while still taking a break because you'd rather take multiple months off. A month off is still a month off man. Everybody needs a break, but stop making excuses for why you can't have one. Do some self-care, take that break if you want it, stop making excuses and do it.

[R041]

No, I'm concerned that ya'll obsess over losing your house because you don't want to take a break, and then you make excuses for not even taking a single month off to do just that because you'd rather take multiple months off. A month off is still a month off man. Everybody needs a break, but stop making excuses for why you can't have one. Do some self-care, take that break if you want it, stop making excuses and do it.

I can take a break, but you're unwilling to comprehend what that means for the people that actually enjoy that part of the game. I'm also not obsessed, it just needs to be said that we need to keep a sub to retain that portion of the game for us. Fortunately I have the ability to retain a sub and I buy annual. But that's just not so easy for other people.

I'm glad that if you enjoy MSQ, you can leave and then come back to do MSQ. I don't have that luxury with the parts of the game I enjoy, and I wish it were as easy.

Oh you're homeless? Why don't you just buy a home?

Same dumb argument.

[Raskbuck]

Then I'll be honest, if I had the ability to remove your house from you right now while also refunding all the gil you spent, I would. Because if you're forcing yourself to play the game over a simple house, you have serious problems. If you want to take a break, then take a break, lose your house, why should it matter to you when you want nothing to do with the game until the next big patch? I really don't care about you losing your house, because if you're making yourself miserable, then remove what is making you miserable instead of wallowing in your sorrow. But no, we both know you won't do that, you'd rather blame SE then actually do something that you feel would be good for you, and that's taking a break. The only one keeping that house as a shackle is you. I bet you don't even use that house all that often.

Is it really that unreasonable to expect a better product in exchange of the money we are paying?

While I understand the point you are trying to get across, a lot of us have spent a lot of time obtaining, decorating and maintaining our house. Expecting people to just delete and invalidate all that work because we are discontent with the current design philosophy seems extremely unfair.

Personally, I feel beholden to maintain my subscription for my house, because I've spent money in some Mog Station decorations; as well as fundraising for a whole year with my friends to buy our large FC one. Every single one of us quit because of the content drought, and I'm keeping everything afloat presumably until 7.0. Do you really expect us to throw everything away, because we're discontent with the current design philosophy? Do I have to remind you that this content drought wasn't always there?

It's valid for people to voice their complaints, because most of them come from wanting to see improvements on a game they love. I personally don't criticize the game out of spite or malice. I just want it to do better, because I consider it my main MMO in the limited selection of what we have.

[DPZ2]

Is it really that unreasonable to expect a better product in exchange of the money we are paying?

I depends on what you mean by "better product".

So far, you've been exchanging money for what is currently available. Why would you think that will change?

Heck, even Blizzard appears to have upped their game with their current expansion, after years of declining subscriptions. The relevant part of that sentence is years of declining subscriptions.