Well I think we at a new low .

[R041]

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

Because XIV has made housing THE game at this point. CBU:III has developed that unhealthy relationship with our need to be social with items and a virtual building we can design. They then FOMO it so that we have no real ability to re-gain that true end-game unless we stay subbed.

How are we not allowed to be upset at that fact? It's fine that other people can basically let that content go, but anyone that's actually played long enough know that it's not just something you let go of.

It'd be like if The Sims deleted your house every time you stopped playing, then when you wanted to play again after a few months it made you do a lottery to get it back. It's the same basic idea. Especially when we know there isn't much other content to keep us occupied otherwise, it makes The Sims part of XIV basically the only thing we can do.

If we eventually get proper instanced housing, something like WildStar (Bless their heart), then it wouldn't be this way and we could all live comfortably knowing we can unsub when there's no combat content.

We gain nothing for praising FOMO, we all lose as players because of it. Let us be upset at that, so we can grow and be a better game. Please.

[TomsYoungerBro]

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

A gross misunderstanding and frankly an indirect ad-hominem attack on those who have that genuine complaint. If someone is taking a break for X amount of time to come back to the game, then they still find the game enjoyable enough to invest time into it. However, unlike the white knights on this forum, people would also like to save money while not playing a game for X amount of time. Doing that requires you to unsub which would forfeit your house in 45 days (since you cant access it in that time). It's really a simple concept

[Midareyukki]

This has weirdly become the Go-To Defense. Your shackled to a videogame your not really enjoying....still paying a subscription despite hardly playing....all because of a Virtual House.

Its just weird, and sounds unhealthy

People put in effort into those houses, it's trashy to see them go to waste. All because despite people saying "Oh you can just take a break", that's the achievement you lose. And getting a house back is beyond garbage.

First, the loss of a plot means you just wasted 3m+ you probably farmed for just like that.
Then you need to go all the way back to the start and compete with so many other players who want a house as well.
If you have anything larger than a Small, the loss is higher.
Plus, ok sure, you lost the house, but you resub and "you can just get another one". a) what, to lose it again, and b) what, and spend a decent portion of that time without the house?

Like, I agree. It's unhealthy to only remain in a game just because of a virtual house. It's even borderline pathetic really. But in the event I return to this game, there are things I'd like to do with my house. I'd rather keep it for the time I feel invested in the game, even if I decide to take a break. A break does not translate into a complete loss of interest for the game, and believing it does is easily ten times more pathetic and unhealthy.

What's actually unhealthy is the restriction being put in place, let's be honest. But that's a talk for another topic. Likely to be regurgitated and re-debated next time someone doesn't win the housing raffle and complains in the threads again. Likely with someone being like "It's a good thing we have this timer, because that frees up houses" instead of acknowledging we need a better design philosophy rather than repeating the same mistake over and over again.

Imagine if you spent all that time playing Pokémon, finished your pokédex, but then just because you didn't load the game in X time, you lost all that progress. Sure, you can just go back and do it all over again... but what's the point in that? You likely wouldn't want to do that again either. It's just a digital collection, who cares, right? Well, true, it's a digital achievement, it's as flimsy as it can get. But there's a principle for the consumer somewhere there, part of enjoying the game and the rewards/achievements that come with it, even if they're just personal. And a game not respecting that is just as backwards as caring too much about it, you know?

[Arkfrost]

Yeah, so as some of you might've seen, I went out of my way doing some espionage, and made that post on the JP forums to find out what they think about the new patch, and where I can find discussion threads about the new patch (since I could barely find any).

So first thing to note is, that the JP community hates opening 50 threads on patch day, like the EN community. Instead they open like 1 thread and everyone posts only there. That's why there's literally just 2 or 3 threads where people talk about the new patch: One about the Manderville Weapons (48 pages - last 5 pages since this patch), one about Eureka Orthos (4 pages) and some talk in the "Add new hairstyle" thread.

I've gone over all 3 so far and after figuring out their super weird metaphors (like comparing doing content to eating and the speed of chewing/swallowing... or traffic jams...wtf), these are the results:

Manderville weapons:
Unlike in the thread that I made, asking where people are discussing the patch, here people seem to be kinda less positive about the weapon. They think it's a bit too easy to get, and that it doesn't feel like they're "training" their weapon like previously, when all you do is just exchanging astronomy tomes to pretty much "buy" it. Also, they're slightly put off by the fact that now Hildi Quest = Relic Weapon quest, instead of Hildi just being a prequisite and its own thing apart from that. Also, quite a lot of people still dislike the fact that you had to do ALL the Hildi quests before you could even start with the Manderville Weapon questline.
There are some who are like "Thank you for logging in once a week and getting weapons", but apparently they're a minority. The majority isn't too fond of there being pretty much nothing to do for the new relic stage. They're not super salty like a lot of English players here, but they're also not really pleased with how the questline is designed.

Eureka Orthos:
Basically there's 3 things people talk about: Not being able to watch the boss cutscene as people just pull, how it's too difficult (especially at lower levels), and how Eureka Orthos is pretty boring

New hairstyle:
This thread was really weird.
There was like 1 guy who was really salty about the new hairstyle looking only good on specific races and genders, which resulted in other people mostly shittalking him for voicing his opinion and then they opened an entire think tank about the philosophical question "when should you say something" (regarding voicing your opinion). Like there were a couple of people literally just writing dozens of lines, just repeating themselves over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, how "he can say his opinion, but how he shouldn't when it's about a subjective matter".
Like wtf.
But all in all, they're mostly fond of the new Eleven from Stranger Things haircut.

[R041]

Oh you lapsed your sub? Let me just take "The Necromancer" title away from you. You can start over when you come back tho!

Large on Gilgamesh? Almost no achievement in the game even compares to that loss. A house that's often valued at 10-20x* (Depending on FC or Solo) an ultimate clear. lol (I don't buy, I know you do Limsa AFKer)

This is how it feels for some people.

[Vahlnir]

-snip-

A lot of it comes down to two completely different cultures. We are blunt, direct and sometimes outright aggressive when we express negative feedback. They are a bit more composed, I guess. Even when they say something negative, it comes across as letting someone down gently. Either way, if all of this is legit, then that is interesting.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

A gross misunderstanding and frankly an indirect ad-hominem attack on those who have that genuine complaint. If someone is taking a break for X amount of time to come back to the game, then they still find the game enjoyable enough to invest time into it. However, unlike the white knights on this forum, people would also like to save money while not playing a game for X amount of time. Doing that requires you to unsub which would forfeit your house in 45 days (since you cant access it in that time). It's really a simple concept

Its not an ad-hominem attack if its true. With my post being a direct response to somebody who literally mentioned losing their housing if they take a break.
I think I understood that quite well...doesn't stop it from being weird, or sounding Unhealthy.Yes you should take a break if you arnt having fun...it sounds like we both agree here, but you are fighting me about it XD

Because XIV has made housing THE game at this point. CBU:III has developed that unhealthy relationship with our need to be social with items and a virtual building we can design. They then FOMO it so that we have no real ability to re-gain that true end-game unless we stay subbed.

How are we not allowed to be upset at that fact? It's fine that other people can basically let that content go, but anyone that's actually played long enough know that it's not just something you let go of.

It'd be like if The Sims deleted your house every time you stopped playing, then when you wanted to play again after a few months it made you do a lottery to get it back. It's the same basic idea. Especially when we know there isn't much other content to keep us occupied otherwise, it makes The Sims part of XIV basically the only thing we can do.

If we eventually get proper instanced housing, something like WildStar (Bless their heart), then it wouldn't be this way and we could all live comfortably knowing we can unsub when there's no combat content.

We gain nothing for praising FOMO, we all lose as players because of it. Let us be upset at that, so we can grow and be a better game. Please.

...no, that is COMPLETELY false, YOU, and many other people decided Housing was the Game, its really not that important.
But I understand its hard enough to get one, and they didnt develop the best system so everyone could have one in the 1st place.
However its completely false, and insane to say Housing is THE game.
Neve rmade an argument that you can/cant be, my point is its weird and unhealthy to feel so shackled to a game BECAUSE of a House.

Nobody Praised FOMO, man, always funny when people create nonsense like this out of thin air.
We arnt even arguing about "A better game" we are talking about people paying a sub and logging on just for their housing.

People put in effort into those houses, it's trashy to see them go to waste. All because despite people saying "Oh you can just take a break", that's the achievement you lose. And getting a house back is beyond garbage.

First, the loss of a plot means you just wasted 3m+ you probably farmed for just like that.
Then you need to go all the way back to the start and compete with so many other players who want a house as well.
If you have anything larger than a Small, the loss is higher.
Plus, ok sure, you lost the house, but you resub and "you can just get another one". a) what, to lose it again, and b) what, and spend a decent portion of that time without the house?

Imagine if you spent all that time playing Pokémon, finished your pokédex, but then just because you didn't load the game in X time, you lost all that progress. Sure, you can just go back and do it all over again... but what's the point in that? You likely wouldn't want to do that again either. It's just a digital collection, who cares, right? Well, true, it's a digital achievement, it's as flimsy as it can get. But there's a principle for the consumer somewhere there, part of enjoying the game and the rewards/achievements that come with it, even if they're just personal. And a game not respecting that is just as backwards as caring too much about it, you know?

If Im finished playing Pokemon, Im finished.
Maybe Im different, but I dont very often return to games Im done with, unless it is TRULY special. And in that case, I wouldn't mind re-experiencing it and starting over.

The point the other 2 people are missing here is, Im not saying this is an OK system, not at all. It is trash, and the Devs know it.
Just that: as we agreed, its pretty weird...Im not sure if Ill say Pathetic, but Unhealthy, to Feel The NEED to keep wasting money or keep coming into a game you arnt enjoying, just for that House.

Oh you lapsed your sub? Let me just take "The Necromancer" title away from you. You can start over when you come back tho!

Ok now you are just getting silly.

[Midareyukki]

Large on Gilgamesh? Almost no achievement in the game even compares to that loss. A house that's often valued at 20-50x an ultimate clear. lol (I don't buy, I know you do Limsa AFKer)

As someone with an alt on Gilgamesh, I know some people whose mere attempts at getting a Small feels like an uphill battle. Even when there are plots open. Even when they're competing for a plot in the Goblet of all places. It's still there, it's still salty, and they've been at it for a good while now.

Like, I'm fine, I can get by with an Apartment on Gilgamesh, but yikes, getting a house there at all feels crazy.

New hairstyle:
This thread was really weird.
There was like 1 guy who was really salty about the new hairstyle looking only good on specific races and genders, which resulted in other people mostly shittalking him for voicing his opinion and then they opened an entire think tank about the philosophical question "when should you say something" (regarding voicing your opinion). Like there were a couple of people literally just writing dozens of lines, just repeating themselves over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, how "he can say his opinion, but how he shouldn't when it's about a subjective matter".
Like wtf.
But all in all, they're mostly fond of the new Eleven from Stranger Things haircut.

Oh it for sure does look terrible in some races, while being passable in others.

But I have an opinion on that hair that's likely just as bad, and I'm sure several people would disagree and smite me on sight for:

...it honestly doesn't look that bad on Hrothgar?

I mean, yeah, it gives me "poorly shaved lion" vibes. Not "maneless lion", no no no, I do mean "badly shaved".
It for sure looks like Eleven from Stranger Things had a fursona.

But it's what I find to be "ugly cute". It doesn't look as bad as other races for sure. Viera got the shortest stick, Hrothgar at least make it look passable. This is my aforementioned alt. And sure, it still looks awkward as hell, but it... works? Reminds me of the short hair option for Face 4?



I won't be wearing it for long periods of time, but the option is there and it's not too terrible. Then again, we have to deal with Karen Hrothgar and the Colgate ad. It might just be me coping with having seen the worst SE has for us.

What do you mean "Colgate Ad"?", I hear you asking?

...you know the one.



Never forgive, never forget.

[Midareyukki]

Its not an ad-hominem attack if its true. With my post being a direct response to somebody who literally mentioned losing their housing if they take a break.
I think I understood that quite well...doesn't stop it from being weird, or sounding Unhealthy.Yes you should take a break if you arnt having fun...it sounds like we both agree here, but you are fighting me about it XD

I'm not "fighting", first of all. Don't be so aggressive. I'm literally not in the mood to fight anyone, and I really don't think fighting the FF14 community is productive at all.

I'm just saying that it's not so clear-cut, a lot of people actually do hold some value to what they achieve in a videogame. It's just that the game should respect that in turn, and this limitation isn't doing that.

If you finish Pokémon and call it at that, cool for you. You're not wrong in doing so. Several people, myself included, spend a lot more time afterward completing the pokédex, getting shinies, clearing the rest of the game. And I'm not wrong in doing so either. Same as owning a house in this game.

[RyuDragnier]

Oh you lapsed your sub? Let me just take "The Necromancer" title away from you. You can start over when you come back tho!

Large on Gilgamesh? Almost no achievement in the game even compares to that loss. A house that's often valued at 10-20x* (Depending on FC or Solo) an ultimate clear. lol (I don't buy, I know you do Limsa AFKer)

This is how it feels for some people.

They can take a month off and then come back. I swear, people act like they lose everything for taking 30 days off. You have 45 days, 45 DAYS. You can log in on the final day of your sub, exit the game in your house, and then take a month off. Come back a month later, repay sub, enter the game and then enter your house, the house is now saved from demolition. By the Twelve, it's not a hard concept to grasp, but people clutch their pearls and act like they're being asked to sacrifice their firstborn child.