SE, no effort anywhere lately.

[R041]

14 players ability to pretend that literally every single problem in the game is caused by people from WOW never ceases to amaze me, are we really going to argue that 14 players are the ones who want innovation now while WOW refugees want things to remain as they are because of some perceived need to protect what bought them over from WOW

Of course the game's problems aren't caused by WoW players. It's the attempted silencing by them, and the constant unnecessary praise for FFXIV through all things forums and media.
Even then all of that isn't just WoW players of course, but it definitely doesn't help that they're piling on.

My post was in reference to the actual player in this thread that said they quit WoW because they complained so much on the WoW forums, only to start playing FFXIV. Then told me to quit playing FFXIV to go play WoW.
The receipts are in this thread. lol

It's also no secret that the exodus brought over some weird FFXIV vs WoW toxicity, when we never even TALKED about WoW before it happened. We were all in our own bubbles before the exodus happened. We were just that "Weeb MMO".

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This is one of the most overlooked points.

The people saying the game has so much stuff to do, are people that have only played for 2 years or don't play the game much overall.

People that play XIV as their main game, have finished a majority of the games content and want more content to do.

Starting the game now, would be overwhelming. Two years down the track, the endgame would seem bland.

I've been here since alpha of 1.0 and I still have plenty to do. Its always the people who have join dates on the forums of less than 2 years saying how people who have been around for ages believe.


And yes I'm generalizing to show how ridiculous that is. Not everyone who has been around for ages is out of content to do, and not everyone who joined recently thinks that everyone who has been around for ages is out of content to do.




Most people don't participate in all content the game offers, and that's fine. But to say the game has no content left to do for anyone who has been around forever is silly, especially if they don't consume at the same rate. I'm a casual player at heart. I don't put a hundred hours in on savage patches. I clear 2-3 months into the tier. We only raid 3 nights a week for a couple hours.



I didn't even start big fishing until stormblood. I just now caught up to this expansions fish, going expansion by expansion. I've started doing PVP stuff recently, because I hated it for years and the classes felt terrible to play, but the new changes make it more bearable.


Solo Deep Dungeon clears are now on the table for me, because I have more time to do them when I'm not doing savage. I never completed a relic in Eureka because I hated the content and none of my friends were into it, but I can slowly pick away at it now.

[MonteCristo]

I've been here since alpha of 1.0 and I still have plenty to do. Its always the people who have join dates on the forums of less than 2 years saying how people who have been around for ages believe.

I have too and lets be honest....its old content. Not everyone is enamored with running the same tired stuff.

[Supersnow845]

I mean sure I could go back and unsynch old extremes that I didn’t do when I was on a content break (don’t think I ever did niddhogg extreme back in the day) but does that really count as “content” compared to something like exploratory content 4.0

I want something to actually draw me back into the game and EW has given me literally nothing

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I have too and lets be honest....its old content. Not everyone is enamored with running the same tired stuff.

And yet, they added new stuff and people aren't all that into it either. Apparently for criterion to be worth running a reward is required. New content for new contents sake isn't enough.

[R041]

I've been here since alpha of 1.0 and I still have plenty to do.

Just as players on the WoW forums said the same thing to those that also had the same issue. Doesn't mean their complaints were invalid.

If you look at my Achievements, yes you could make the argument that I still have things to do. But on the other hand, there's a lot of bullshit that I just refuse to actively grind. Because giving me an imaginary number isn't content.

Like look at this amazing content:









Next you're gonna tell me the Sightseeing Log is content. lol

Oh no, actually you'll just tell me I need to get the Necromancer title. That's more reasonable.

Forum Join Dates don't matter. Stop being weird. I was in 1.0 Beta too and have 1.0 Collector's Edition.

Also, you can't tell us the reason you have content is because you've neglected old content all these years, in the same sentence as telling us you're from 1.0. That doesn't just magically mean we have content to do during the Endwalker cycle just because you neglected old stuff. The discussion isn't around how much OLD shit we have left to do. It's about how much ENDWALKER is providing us. TODAY. Not what Heavensward was providing us YESTERDAY. Who cares what USED to be. That's not the discussion, it shouldn't even be on the table here.

[DPZ2]

After 10 years it still lacks choices.

Hey now, give FFXIV the same amount of time that WoW took to get to that 'coop' play mode you so like. 14+ years.

Then complain.

[EliaStormblade]

Of course the game's problems aren't caused by WoW players. It's the attempted silencing by them, and the constant unnecessary praise for FFXIV through all things forums and media.
Even then all of that isn't just WoW players of course, but it definitely doesn't help that they're piling on

Mayhap they, I don't know, enjoy the game?

[R041]

Mayhap they, I don't know, enjoy the game?

They're 100% allowed to like FFXIV. If I were a WoW player and I came over to FFXIV with a decade of content completely open to me, I'd do an MSQ skip and have an absolute blast for about 6 months. After that, I've probably have done everything.

But that's not the discussion. It's about current content and the Endwalker experience as an active player. Not the Stormblood experience as a new player.

I could go play Guild Wars 1 and have the time of my life because I know it's pure content for months. But again that's not the discussion. It's about the MMORPG experience as it is today in the current expansion and patch cycle. I find it dull and uninspired.

[EliaStormblade]

They're 100% allowed to like FFXIV. If I were a WoW player and I came over to FFXIV with a decade of content completely open to me, I'd do an MSQ skip and have an absolute blast for about 6 months. After that, I've probably have done everything.

But that's not the discussion. It's about current content and the Endwalker experience as an active player. Not the Stormblood experience as a new player.

I could go play Guild Wars 1 and have the time of my life because I know it's pure content for months. But again that's not the discussion. It's about the MMORPG experience as it is today in the current expansion and patch cycle. I find it dull and uninspired.

I'm talking in general. You're free to be unhappy and disgruntled with the current direction, but it's a little weird to take exception to other people enjoying themselves and praising the game for it? At least, that's just how it came across-- the bolded part, that is.