Really hope that next Relic Step will be a complete grindfest again

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Bit of a controversial take here, but I think that's kinda the point. You're not meant to solo Eureka and Bozja. That isn't the sort of content they're meant to be. They're content specifically designed to go in as a group.

I know it's unfortunate to say and people are gonna get upset at that, but that's the thing. It was never made to be that sort of content. So saying "I want to be able to solo Eureka and Bozja" is virtually the same as saying "I want to solo an Alliance Raid". You just won't.

However, Bozja and Eureka suffer from longevity problems, and they're noticeable. It's very hit-or-miss when or if Bozja's full even with the level up incentive. There isn't that much to do there or an incentive to go back to it once you're done with the relic. I haven't seen a full instance in years. And I find that to be a shame, because it means it's going to cause issues in the future.

Wholeheartedly agree with them being designed as a group content.

Nowadays we can 99% solo Eureka relics up to their last glowy phase, but we do have to be resourceful & know what to do. (I.e. Can’t get Pazuzu feather? There’s a trader that gives you one for 300 Anemos Crystal each! Yeah work multiple times harder but that’s the point if people want to solo it?). Last 1% is the Crystalline Scale that drops from Provenance Watcher & cannot be collected any other ways. Maybe on tanks but :doubt:

Bozja on the other hand is impossible to pull off with the bottleneck that is CLL/DRn/Dalriada clear requirement. And yet from what I could see in my DC, they are still regularly being ran & cleared so I don’t see any reason to not hitch a ride in one of those runs. Especially nowadays when some people are running out of contents to do & start pouring into these zones.

[Deceptus]

Bit of a controversial take here, but I think that's kinda the point. You're not meant to solo Eureka and Bozja. That isn't the sort of content they're meant to be. They're content specifically designed to go in as a group.

I know it's unfortunate to say and people are gonna get upset at that, but that's the thing. It was never made to be that sort of content. So saying "I want to be able to solo Eureka and Bozja" is virtually the same as saying "I want to solo an Alliance Raid". You just won't.

Most stuff with the relic isn't meant to be solo'd but that's the point of getting stronger, you can do things you previously couldn't do on your own, on your time.

However, Bozja and Eureka suffer from longevity problems, and they're noticeable. It's very hit-or-miss when or if Bozja's full even with the level up incentive. There isn't that much to do there or an incentive to go back to it once you're done with the relic. I haven't seen a full instance in years. And I find that to be a shame, because it means it's going to cause issues in the future.

You basically just contradicted yourself and proved my point.

• "Bozja isn't meant to be soloed".
  
• "There isn't that much to do there or an incentive to go back to it once you're done with the relic. Haven't seen a full Bozja instance in years"

Which is why people want it to be able to be solo'd. Which CBU3 could easily do by making Dalriada an 8 man instance and putting it in the Normal Raid Roulette or by putting the relic mats on the Normal Raid Roulette / Alliance Raid Roulette . Simple solutions.

[Duskane]

I mean you were wrong about Eureka anyway you are still at net 0

[Midareyukki]

You basically just contradicted yourself and proved my point.

....what?


1 - Bozja isn't meant for you to go in and complete it solo. You need a group for it.
2 - However, it's hard to pull it off right now, because instances are very flip-floppy. You either get a group or you can't do it.

The problem is longevity.

Those two statements did not contradict anything.
Plus, it's as I've been saying in this whole thread thus far. The problem with Bozja and Eureka is the fact that there isn't much else to do apart from FATEs and the CEs. FATEs are whatever in Bozja, but not CEs and especially not CLL, Dalriada and Delubrum. NMs are not easily soloable in Eureka (never tried it myself, but if it's possible, it's certainly far bigger a hassle than required). Thus I propose having more to do in those instances, be it better rewards or other systems in place to incentivize people to go back to it.

Because you cannot solo Bozja. It's like that by design. But it's made worse when you factor in that there aren't that many people in the instances. And because there aren't many people in there, it's hard to clear Bozja because you're forced to solo that which cannot be soloable. Good luck soloing the Prisoner bit in Castrum.

But I never once considered that to be poor design that needed to be changed. Au contraire: I very much want them to have MORE things like that, meant to be done as a group. It just needs to be done right and you need to assure there will be a group to begin with. Which it can be done.

That said.

Which is why people want it to be able to be solo'd. Which CBU3 could easily do by making Dalriada an 8 man instance and putting it in the Normal Raid Roulette or by putting the relic mats on the Normal Raid Roulette / Alliance Raid Roulette . Simple solutions.

So you ignore the initial part where I tell you

I know it's unfortunate to say and people are gonna get upset at that, but that's the thing. It was never made to be that sort of content.

just so you can then say "You proved my point: this is why we want it soloed"?

...I didn't prove much save for one thing. That your feelings on Bozja are valid: you want it to be soloable because of how the current system is designed, which is heavily reliant on the instances being active. Which, again, they are currently not.

Otherwise no, I didn't prove to you anything of the sort. Because your "simple answer" is literally unmaking the whole point of the design. Bozja's not meant to be Soloed. It is, however, meant to be done with an active instance. What the devs should do is NOT try to go back and make it soloable because that's simply not going to be a factor. But rather add incentives to bring people into the instances and revive them for posterity.

"Posterity" doesn't have to imply "unmaking all of Bozja to be soloable". First we try to revive the instances and try to make sure people return to it. We go for soloable once we really have reached a point where we cannot sustain anything. And at that point, you'd need to consider moments like CLL and Dalriada which require the group to split, such as removing it (which takes a lot of work and you'd need them to rework the whole map) or adding Trusts to it (which still takes time regardless, but it's less heinous than reworking the map).

Sorry but while I agree Bozja's design makes it hard for its content to be finished, I wholeheartedly disagree with it being made into a solo area. It 100% defies its purpose and design philosophy. I did not contradict myself or prove you right in any simple way.

[kevin_satron]

> people complain that there's not much to do like grinding in this game
> Devs make relic weapon grindy
> people are malding because it's too grindy

[Absimiliard]

Wait, people unironically think Bozja is still active? A single full instance one or two nights a week does not high activity make. As for the raid; hardly anyone is running that hellscape of a savage on any DC. You basically have to join a particular Discord to participate - each data center has one. Even then, finding them running is a tall order.

[4clubbedace]

I want the ability to revisit older content. Is there something wrong with that?

I mean I started in ShB but I never really experienced Bozja during that expansion. Is it wrong for me to want to go back and revisit older content, even if it's not current expansion content?

I understand it's not the norm since most people just do MSQ + current expansion, then quit, but is there something actually wrong with me wanting it?

no of course not but i rather have new thinsg current expansion so i can use the NEW BUTTONS they gave us

it feels silly to get to max level but theres not as many things AT MAX to putz around in

bozja at leats when u went in at 70 BROUGHT YOU to 80, just going back to keep doing older things again and again just makes feeling like leveling to max a waste anyways

[4clubbedace]

> people complain that there's not much to do like grinding in this game
> Devs make relic weapon grindy
> people are malding because it's too grindy

people want grindy the way THEY want grindy

some people hated the exploration zones, i loved them

some people want the ARR/HW style light/book grind, which i /hate/

[GTK0HLK]

feels like walking into a room on fire..,

I'll just Reiterate what I likely said before..,

We are unlikely to get that this time around..,

as someone who really, really enjoyed Eureka, and got roadblocks with the Bozja DR MSQ..,

If we ever get a Exploration Zone for the next expansion.., the point is a Highly Cooperative Zone with very Minimal Solo grind IN THE ZONE..,
[if we want to go over how it works, the balanced can be met, but it always will be group content when reaping the benefits of what you sowed.., but prep work could easily be solo, but not so efficient. but this applies to the content itself. which bozja has lesser pull for some life after completion]

as for Manderville, we are likely to get a grind of sorts be they Dngs, fates, or Potential Books..,

They should have both in the future, completely independent of each other.

<Since as some have said, we cannot please everyone, but a middle can always be found.., unless we need both extremes at the same time..,>

for now though, no reason to converse Exploration Zones, as we likely won't ever have it this time

[Kosachi]

They should have both in the future, completely independent of each other.

<Since as some have said, we cannot please everyone, but a middle can always be found.., unless we need both extremes at the same time..,>

I don't particularly trust them to strike that balance to be honest. They said for Bozja that they would have a HW style grind along side it for people who don't want to do the exploratory zone but what we actually got was a half assed excuse of a "HW style grind". I would much prefer they pick one and do it very well than get something that is covered in cut corners, be it exploratory or an old school book grind.