Fake FCs' Housing Abuse

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Another option would be to charge FCs rent in the form of Company Credits.

This is really not as hard as you think it is. First off, they have it set so that the more people online, the fewer credits you earn, and this is deliberate so that large FCs don't rocket past small ones. Secondly, just as now there is a market for magitek repair kits, all this will do is create a market for militia chokers, or whatever the easiest thing to craft for the most credits is.

Any measure of resource requirement that isn't an overly taxing punishment on a small FC can be easily overcome by a single rich player.

[Jojoya]

This is really not as hard as you think it is. First off, they have it set so that the more people online, the fewer credits you earn, and this is deliberate so that large FCs don't rocket past small ones. Secondly, just as now there is a market for magitek repair kits, all this will do is create a market for militia chokers, or whatever the easiest thing to craft for the most credits is.

Any measure of resource requirement that isn't an overly taxing punishment on a small FC can be easily overcome by a single rich player.

I understand that a single rich player has the potential to overcome this fairly easily.

The question would be if it's worth it to them. Why are they buying the additional houses in the first place?

If they are just looking for more houses to own and decorate, then nothing is going to stop them. They will always find a way around it.

If the goal is additional workshop access for gil farming, though, does it become worth it if almost all the gil you're making off the workshop has to be put back into generating the FC credits needed to pay the rent? Militia chokers are nice for getting to level 6 quickly. They're one heck of a pain in the neck for generating company credits in large amounts.

Note I didn't even suggest an amount of company credits that I feel reasonable for rent. I don't have access to data that SE would have on how many company credits are generated by typical FCs. All I have to go by would be the amounts generated by the FCs I belong to.

The one this character belongs to is a good size though not what most would consider large. One of my alts had inherited it when the original FC leaders took an extended break from the game for RL reasons. I gave it to a friend who did want to run a FC after the former leaders came back and no longer wanted it. The FC had very little in the way of company credits when I gave it to him because my alt had been the only active member for about 6 months. I was actually using the Militia Chokers to get credits to buy Ceruleum tanks at times. But it's almost 4 years later now and the FC has close to 70 million company credits available.

I have a small FC I run with an alt on Coeurl that's a sort of "haven" for friends who have alts they occasionally want to play in a quiet atmosphere away from the activity and noise in their main characters' FCs. Since activity isn't constant, there's only 2.8 million credits built up after 18 months (but the workshop is running with max level subs so it's going through Ceruleum tanks fairly fast).

Then there's the FC another alt belongs to on Marilith. It has 5 unique members currently active on a weekly basis and 6 that play intermittently as RL allows. It's up to 3.5 million credits already in the not quite 4 months since Marilith opened.

If the latter is typical for the small FCs, then charging 250k company credits a month for rent wouldn't be a stretch for most though it would be a stretch for my Coeurl alt FC where it's just my alt plus a few others that log in about once a month or so. But it could also be argued that my alt FC doesn't really need a house because of the limited activity.

Now look at a rent charge of 250k credits from the perspective of someone who is getting multiple FC houses to workshop farm. The FC master characters aren't active characters generating company credits. There are no other active members generating company credits. The credits they're currently using to run their subs come mainly from items purchased for Expert Deliveries. With the rent, they'd have to buy that much more. That starts taking a huge chunk out of the profits they're making from the workshops.

Is it still worth the effort for a minimal return? Sure, they could invite players to join their FCs to generate the needed credits but it's a risk as the players they are likely to get would eventually leave to join active FCs or stop playing so there goes their credit source until more players are recruited.

There are no perfect solutions but I think a company credit based rent system for FC houses would at least reduce the number of players who are obtaining multiple FC houses for personal use.

[Stormpeaks]

Except its just not necessary, there is housing for everyone, and this just adds more annoyances for both "real" fcs as you call them, and "fake fcs", lets just stop trying to take things away from people yes ?

If people want houses on NA, Dynamis is wide open.

EU has 0 issues with housing, even on the oldest world which is Ragnarok.

Stop creating a problem where there isnt one.

This constant obsession with taking things away from people that have worked for what they have is actually becoming gross at this point, or this whole "yes lets add more chores to keeping a house, so people HAVE to do things just in order to keep their houses, that sure is very fun !"

[CatStarwind]

It isnt a loophole, its actually intended in the TOS, good try buddy, as per usual making a fool of yourself.

Again, here's the TOS:

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any unauthorized cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software or hardware designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

This constant obsession with taking things away from people that have worked for what they have is actually becoming gross at this point, or this whole "yes lets add more chores to keeping a house, so people HAVE to do things just in order to keep their houses, that sure is very fun !"

Exploiting loopholes to have things one shouldn't have in the first place isn't "taking away", it's rectifying an abuse. Are you arguing that _UNNAMED should've kept their Omega Ultimate weapons? After all, they put in more "work" than playing the equivalent of an idle clicker game.

[PaalHenrik]

Again, here's the TOS:





Exploiting loopholes to have things one shouldn't have in the first place isn't "taking away", it's rectifying an abuse. Are you arguing that _UNNAMED should've kept their Omega Ultimate weapons? After all, they put in more "work" than playing the equivalent of an idle clicker game.

Apples and oranges. Unnamed used 3rd party software and got busted. You can get a house very easily in the game. Being able to get a house even after buying a house is not an exploit or a bug.

[Yodada]

Again, here's the TOS:





Exploiting loopholes to have things one shouldn't have in the first place isn't "taking away", it's rectifying an abuse. Are you arguing that _UNNAMED should've kept their Omega Ultimate weapons? After all, they put in more "work" than playing the equivalent of an idle clicker game.

Man you remind me of Albangbus1. Once he got his House after his so highly sought after Lottery he went silent. So whats your story?

Did somebody got a House you wanted?
Or outbid you on the black market?
Put somebody an less desirable Housing Skin into your view?
Did somebody bought into your own ward buyouts?
Did somebody stole your sand moulds in the kindergarten?
Or are you just an unhappy person who cannot bear the joy of others and therefore also wants to punish them with his resentment?

[Jojoya]

Except its just not necessary, there is housing for everyone, and this just adds more annoyances for both "real" fcs as you call them, and "fake fcs", lets just stop trying to take things away from people yes ?

If people want houses on NA, Dynamis is wide open.

EU has 0 issues with housing, even on the oldest world which is Ragnarok.

Stop creating a problem where there isnt one.

This constant obsession with taking things away from people that have worked for what they have is actually becoming gross at this point, or this whole "yes lets add more chores to keeping a house, so people HAVE to do things just in order to keep their houses, that sure is very fun !"

Except it was a problem just 5 months ago for players on NA. Can we be certain it won't be a problem again once 7.0 is released?

Personally I hope not. I would love for SE to finally be on top of the problem. I also have my doubts that is the case.

Just as we thought that house availability had been solved back in 4.2 for everyone but Balmung, there is always the chance we'll end up in the same situation again. An abundance of houses available just for it all to disappear almost overnight as new players decided to start the game or as existing players continue to acquire multiple houses.

Look ahead to 7.0. They've been teasing the possibility of a new starting point for new characters since Shadowbringers. With the Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc ended and the current story arc not expected to go past 6.5, 7.0 seems like the perfect opportunity to finally implement it. That may drawn in those players that have hesitated to play because the need to go though 80-90 levels of content to catch up to the rest of the player base seemed daunting. Other changes, such as the graphics update, may start attracting even more.

The goal is not to take things away from those who have already earned them. The goal is to discourage players from acquiring more of a limited resource for personal use when there are other players who cannot get that resource due to the limited supply being consumed. Keep in mind it would only affect FC houses and the vast majority of FCs would have no problems keeping on top of the credits needed through normal game play.

Keep in mind such changes are only necessary if SE cannot come up with a better solution for meeting demand and fails to be able to continue to add new housing servers to host new wards so we end up back where things were at Shadowbringers launch. If SE can do that and give all interested players equal opportunity at owning multiple houses without having to compete against other players for a small chance at getting one, then all of these suggestions become unnecessary.

[NanaWiloh]

Except it was a problem just 5 months ago for players on NA. Can we be certain it won't be a problem again once 7.0 is released?

Personally I hope not. I would love for SE to finally be on top of the problem. I also have my doubts that is the case.

Just as we thought that house availability had been solved back in 4.2 for everyone but Balmung, there is always the chance we'll end up in the same situation again. An abundance of houses available just for it all to disappear almost overnight as new players decided to start the game or as existing players continue to acquire multiple houses.

Look ahead to 7.0. They've been teasing the possibility of a new starting point for new characters since Shadowbringers. With the Hydaelyn-Zodiark arc ended and the current story arc not expected to go past 6.5, 7.0 seems like the perfect opportunity to finally implement it. That may drawn in those players that have hesitated to play because the need to go though 80-90 levels of content to catch up to the rest of the player base seemed daunting. Other changes, such as the graphics update, may start attracting even more.

The goal is not to take things away from those who have already earned them. The goal is to discourage players from acquiring more of a limited resource for personal use when there are other players who cannot get that resource due to the limited supply being consumed. Keep in mind it would only affect FC houses and the vast majority of FCs would have no problems keeping on top of the credits needed through normal game play.

Keep in mind such changes are only necessary if SE cannot come up with a better solution for meeting demand and fails to be able to continue to add new housing servers to host new wards so we end up back where things were at Shadowbringers launch. If SE can do that and give all interested players equal opportunity at owning multiple houses without having to compete against other players for a small chance at getting one, then all of these suggestions become unnecessary.

You want rent system fine tell SE to drop the Demo system no double dipping and double screwing over players. One or the other dont like it dont make suggestions.

[Reinha]

I understand that a single rich player has the potential to overcome this fairly easily.

The question would be if it's worth it to them. Why are they buying the additional houses in the first place?

If they are just looking for more houses to own and decorate, then nothing is going to stop them. They will always find a way around it.

If the goal is additional workshop access for gil farming, though, does it become worth it if almost all the gil you're making off the workshop has to be put back into generating the FC credits needed to pay the rent? Militia chokers are nice for getting to level 6 quickly. They're one heck of a pain in the neck for generating company credits in large amounts.
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Now look at a rent charge of 250k credits from the perspective of someone who is getting multiple FC houses to workshop farm. The FC master characters aren't active characters generating company credits. There are no other active members generating company credits. The credits they're currently using to run their subs come mainly from items purchased for Expert Deliveries. With the rent, they'd have to buy that much more. That starts taking a huge chunk out of the profits they're making from the workshops.

All of this just to make submarine farming harder? Lmao. You wrote an entire novel describing how you want all FCs including endgame-focused groups to adopt your playstyle of leveling alts and doing other useless low level content to get credits or else they lose their house, instead taking 2 seconds to come up with something simpler like increasing the credit cost of Ceruleum Tanks which would only affect submarine missions.

It's especially odd to see you coming up with these ideas for taking people's houses away and calling it problematic that I made a free company with my husband and bought a house no one else bid on in a ward that is still dead, when you're also considering multi-owning yourself. Seems hypocritical.

If those who say they want a house refuse to claim one from what's available, then there's no point in arguing against the players who own multiple houses because they're purchasing what no one else would.

I get sorely tempted to start up new FCs on Marilith to get a few more houses.
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If others don't show up to start claiming what's available, there's really no reason not to buy multiple houses. Someone needs to make those mostly empty wards look inhabited.

[Jojoya]

Savage, extremes, unreal, criterion, S ranks and ultimate don't give company credits, do they? So one would be forced into casual content they wouldn't otherwise do. It's a silly idea Square would never implement, because they know not everyone spends their time doing fates and dungeons lol.

So you don't understand what generates company credits. Got it. Needless to say, they aren't solely generated by "low level casual content".

Inviting New Members
Crafting anything High Quality
Triggering Gatherer's Boon
Undertaking supply and provisioning missions with your Grand Company
Completing FATEs
Completing Duties
Completing Quests
Earning Achievements

Fairly certain you manage to do at least some of those things especially considering you had enough gil to buy a large house for you and your husband. So no, you don't have to suffer through brain dead activity to generate company credits. Have you even looked at the number of company credits your FC has available?

It's especially odd to see you coming up with these ideas for taking people's houses away and calling it problematic that I made a free company with my husband and bought a house no one else bid on in a ward that is still dead, when you're also considering multi-owning yourself. Seems hypocritical.

The difference between you and me is that I think about it but don't do it because I understand the impact it can have. The temptation has been there a long time but I never act on it.

You went ahead and did it even though you could have added your husband as a tenant to a private house. As for the ward still being dead, of course it is. The ward was just added in 6.3. But how many large houses remain in the FC wards, or in any of the wards for that matter, on Odin?

Enough with trying to take things away. Nerf subs and airships put them at the Grand Company it's not that hard. Take away the profit and it will solve most of the issues with ward ownership. This obsession with trying to take things away from people who follow the intent and the rules on here gets pretty old.

I agree. Some of us have been suggesting that SE move the workshops out of housing and to the Grand Companies for years.

If the economic advantages attached to house ownership were removed and placed elsewhere, it would ease the housing situation while players would still have access to both gardens and workshops.