Can something be done about alliance raids?

[Ath192]

People pitched a fit when Orbonne got the Echo when Ivalice was made required for Bozja. Screaming about dumbing things down. They'll do the same if Nier gets the Echo.

I don’t think so. Largely because Ivalice was harder and engaging. The problems stemmed there from people losing patience on each other and rage quitting because they couldn’t do the fight and or weren’t willing to help. I ran that raid so many times back then and boy did people die. Personally I find it fun when raids have consequences and am upset at the nerf. But ultimately no one would run them. So I get averaging them out.

Nier on the other hand is just a slog. It wasn’t hard then either so there’s no dumbing down to be upset over.

Like it’s more of a reputation thing but nier never gained that reputation to begin with. Yeah there’ll be a few but I don’t think anywhere as big. And anyways, since when have they cared? It’s not like upped the difficulty on Ivalice after the outcry.

You know I think I’ve been accused of trying to run a sweat shop here by suggesting punishing players for dodging other alliance raids that aren’t CT but honestly that got me thinking that SE is super guilty of this. Basically the reward system around their instances in DF is akin to running a really low quality content mill where people just churn these things over and over until all the content is soulless and loses its spice. The facts are people don’t run the roulettes for fun, which is ironic given this is a game.

I don’t know that the DF was a good implementation in the long run. After all it trivialized and destroyed social connections and the purpose of FCs and the novice network.

Maybe the roulettes should only exist for very select current content if at all and leave the rest of the duties up to the players to connect and collaborate. Basically return some agency to the players instead of the game trying to do everything for you and feeding you BS rewards that encourage time efficiency.

We’ve seen this work actually, fringe content like BA, DRS and Rival wings that receives no support from the game has communities that are alive and dedicated to running these things. So likewise I think PFs, FCs and discord communities would step up to fill these instances and the experience would be better because of it. I just feel this approach wouldn’t trivialize the content so much everyone is bored out of their minds running it for tomestones / XP and putting up with strangers that got shoved together and become toxic when it’s meant to be a joyful experience. There will now be trusts if you don’t want to wait or be social anyways.

Alas this is just a rant.

[Dzonathan]

Alliance Roulette is one of the good job levelling roulettes, it gives decent EXP, so players are likely to run it on their lower level jobs. Nearly every time I've ended up in a CT raid and bothered to check the other players, even if there's someone suddenly gaining more max HP... there's almost always a player who is legitimately under level 60. That means the CT raid would have been seeded anyway.

Sorry but this part is just daft. If someone ques with sub lvl60 class to AR roullette then they can not get anything but CT.

[Striker44]

Sorry but this part is just daft. If someone ques with sub lvl60 class to AR roullette then they can not get anything but CT.

I'm curious what you think is daft about what you're quoting - because what you said was exactly his point. Since someone sub-60 can only get CT, chances are high that even if there's someone in the raid who artificially lowered their ilvl, there's probably someone else who's actually sub-60, so the ilvl deflater was irrelevant. CT raids happen more frequently simply because more people who are only eligible for CT raids queue for them.

[Raoabolic]

Sorry but this part is just daft. If someone ques with sub lvl60 class to AR roullette then they can not get anything but CT.

I mean, it only does take one newb but it only takes one min-maxer who wants to find the most efficient way to knock out their roulettes to level their class/job for this as well. People will cheese any mechanic/adjustment you make just to shave off a few mins to a few seconds. It's a shame, but that's the mindset of most players now a days. Sorry. :/

[Seraphor]

Sorry but this part is just daft. If someone ques with sub lvl60 class to AR roullette then they can not get anything but CT.

That's... what I said.

[seolhyun]

the problem is it's a nier raid and everyone is sick of doing those. i would do 100 syrcus before i go back there.

[Atelier-Bagur]

the problem is it's a nier raid and everyone is sick of doing those. i would do 100 syrcus before i go back there.

I wouldnt go nier those raids.

[Raven2014]

If anything the current 24 shows they did learn their lesson from the Ivalice and Nier tiers though. Now they only need to go back and redo those raid so people don't actively avoid them.

[RitsukoSonoda]

I mean, it only does take one newb but it only takes one min-maxer who wants to find the most efficient way to knock out their roulettes to level their class/job for this as well. People will cheese any mechanic/adjustment you make just to shave off a few mins to a few seconds. It's a shame, but that's the mindset of most players now a days. Sorry. :/

Yet over half the CT runs I've gotten from alliance roulette take longer than Euphrosyne

[Rueby]

I was trying to farm the nier raids for glam for...a WEEK of it popping 1-2 times AFTER reset. 40+ mins of waiting > 40+ mins of the raid itself add to it the garbage RNG of 'oh y'know we won't drop what you need or someone will roll higher on it ggwp'

Please if you can't fix the system at least compensate the people somehow...I don't have fun when I feel like I wasted HOURS of my time and still not get anything I want because people are unequiping their gear to get circus tower. Such a horrible system, they tied that garbage raid to the MSQ PLUS relic weapons.