Can something be done about alliance raids?

[Raven2014]

xD You just don't want the stick. So keep praying it doesn't find you.

Of course I don't. Why would anyone want the stick playing a game?.

And I don't think I'll need to pray, as long as SE doesn't hire you to replace Yoshi-P I think I'm safe. The man seem to be acutely aware he's making a game for other to enjoy, not running a warehouse or sweatshop. He understand I'm his customer, not an underling or a drone that he should brandish a "stick" in front.

[Ath192]

Of course I don't. Why would anyone want the stick playing a game?.

And I don't think I'll need to pray, as long as SE doesn't hire you to replace Yoshi-P I think I'm safe. The man seem to be acutely aware he's making a game for other to enjoy, not running a warehouse or sweatshop. He understand I'm his customer, not an underling or a drone that he should brandish a "stick" in front.

But if they do.... xD

[BubblyBoar]

I dont even queue AR roulette anymore. Tired of CT.

[Mesarthim]

I also do not queue for alliance roulette anymore. World of Darkness is eh, but I strictly avoid Labyrinth and Syrcus.

I can get tomes and exp elsewhere (not that I have anything to level, further removing the incentive). I dont think I've done alliance roulette in like a year.

[Kolaina]

Of course I don't. Why would anyone want the stick playing a game?.

Many threads have gone down this road before. This community has a way of brainstorming punishments to “fix” issues.

Starting to think “incentive” or any variation of the word doesn’t exist in most people’s vocabulary

[PyurBlue]

It is

Not at all, again I'm giving everyone what they want to make them happy, not trying to force people into running content they don't want. Roulette manipulators want to run CT. I say let them run CT, make CT its own roulette and let them be happy. The people who don't want to sleep through raids don't want to run CT. I say let them avoid CT, put all the engaging raids in their own roulette. The people that want maximum XP have just gained an additional roulette to run for even more XP. No one is threatened or forced. No one loses anything. Everyone is just given what they want.

Here is the quesiton: between the people who don't run AR because of CT, and the because who run AR everyday because of CT, which number you think is bigger.

I don't know or even care to know. This isn't significant. All that's required is enough interest in running the non CT roulette. Does it matter that the leveling roulette is bigger than normal raids? No. Having two alliance roulettes would be the same situation.

That also applies to you though ...

Of course, it applies to everyone, although you don't seem to understand what I was saying. I didn't mean that players should be forced into running things they don't like. I meant that it should be expected that some players will choose to run different content and they should be allowed to follow their preferences by choice.

And I already state what will be the potential problems for this.

There really aren't any that I see.

Additional, how would you balance the reward between a CT roulette and an Alliance Roulette?

What balance issue do you expect here? CT could be worth 10 times the XP and I wouldn't touch it. I play games to have fun. People have their own preferences, that's enough to make the split work. I don't believe forcing people into content is good design, so I don't really think of it in terms of coercing players into content like you seem to want to. Just let people enjoy themselves.

The roulettes can have the same reward. They aren't mutually exclusive.

- If the roulette offer the same reward as it is now, people will still flock to the CT one and ignore the AR. Nothing will change except now people don't even to ilvl cheese to get into it. If people willing to queue in to an actual AR for the same reward, you wouldn't have the current issue to begin with.

So if both roulettes are equal, then people seeking XP would run both. People who want only easy content run the CT roulette. People who hate CT run only the Alliance roulette. Everything works out.

- Buff the reward on the AR to make it worthwhile for people to choose it over CT? The issue is Ivalice/Nier are just outlier that you will have to skew the reward greatly to incentize people into running it. And it happens and majority decide to abandon CT roulette in favor of AR ... SE will NOT allow that to happen.

Not much changes from the first situation. You might attract a few more people on the fence to run Alliance because of the larger reward, but CT will still be the roulette for minimum effort. Running both roulettes would still provide the maximum daily XP. No one is going to abandon the roulette, or do you think people only run Alliance as it is now when leveling and ignore the other roulettes for some reason?

- Roulette - as a system - heavily bias toward the lower level. That's not player driven, it's by designed. And CT raid is more or less the holy grail for two reason: it's mandatory to the story + it's a gateway for prospective new players. New players receiving fast queue on all the roulette relevance to them (lvling, trial, alliance) is a great advertisement for the game's health and SE will not risk that perception.

OK, splitting roulettes won't take anything away from CT so there is no problem.

- Another element is a problem with the Ivalice and Nier raid itself. Most actually won't mind getting into the Void Ark raid. And tell you what, once this expansion is done I wouldn't mind getting the current 24 tier in my AR either. Ivalice had a brutal difficulty spike that's well beyond what's reasonable for a 24 raid, while Nier is just a ridiculous HP sponge. YOu said you don't want CT 'cause it bore you out of your mind? Guess what, that's exactly why many of us don't want to step back into Nier. Until SE go back and do something to these two raid, they will continue to poison whatever pool they are a part of.

And if there is the lower level bias that you mention, you'll never have to worry about Nier and Ivalice to the same degree as people have to worry about CT today since they are high level raids. Let's also be honest, the first raid in each series have almost been trivialized by gear and levels. So before accounting for the level skew you mention, the chance of getting unlucky is 50% at most and will decrease every expansion.

If that's still not good enough for you, then let people flag a couple of raids in alliance to either avoid or have reduced chance to participate in. As long as not everyone chooses the same raids to avoid, the system will work. I know I wouldn't flag the 70 or 80 Alliance Raids as they're the ideal content that I'd actually like to see from the roulette.

[Asari5]

would love a second a-raid roulette. havent been in there for months and yet the thought of having to do ct again still makes me sick.
every few months its like:

friend: wanna do a-raid roulette?
me: no
friend: oh come on, pls.
me: uhm... alright maybe its not ct this time

but it is and i regret it instantly so i wont touvh it again for months

[Ath192]

Well a mod locked a nearby thread not too long ago. Maybe they’ll be kind enough to translate this and share it over there. While we don’t all agree on the exact methods to solve this problem there does seem to be a consensus it IS a problem. So please devs. Do something.

[Absimiliard]

Can't wait to see this problem eventually get fixed only for people to turn around and start raging on the forums because they have to queue up twelve times a week due to a continuous stream of Thunder God Cid-induced disbands.

[TaleraRistain]

Idk who wouldn’t like this TBH, for example I’m a fan of difficult content but would much rather the mechanics be more lethal and hit for more and for the boss to not be a giant HP bag. That’s neither hard or interesting.

People pitched a fit when Orbonne got the Echo when Ivalice was made required for Bozja. Screaming about dumbing things down. They'll do the same if Nier gets the Echo.