Can something be done about alliance raids?

[Midareyukki]

Overall, the problem isn't just difficulty, but rather how uneven the clear times are. Crystal Tower may be dull, but it's faster. NieR raids are on the easier side, but the fights are made to drag on. And Ivalice's fights jump between being HP sponges or having strict mechanics that require coordination. The rewards are more or less the same either way.

Essentially, they need to bring the raids to a similar clear time. If it means simplifying the harder raids and reducing on boss HP then so be it, since you kind of need to push for an average. That way, it'd reduce on the amount of people only seeking to do CT, and it could promote other raids. And I mention simplifying mechanics because the suggestion of making CT and VA any harder seems to garner a lot more ire... I personally would prefer interesting fight design over the bore-snore-tank-and-spank I see in every standard dungeon, but alas. In the end, it's up to Square Enix to determine exactly what sort of content these Alliance Raids are meant to be and ensure they are appropriately tuned for them.

[Seraphor]

For point 2, they've tied Void Ark into Tataru's questline so they're already implementing this more carrot approach to encourage participation in this optional content.

For point 3, I'm not sure increased rewards are going to fix the issues with Nier. Because they have such damage sponge bosses, you know you're in for 40 minutes minimum even with a high dps raid that knows mechanics. It's hard to make that ever palatable when even if someone isn't fishing for CT they can bail and get VA or Ivalice and still spend a lot less time with a lot less irritation.

Well my point 3 was fairly simple, even if my idea for it was more specific.
Incentivise running those later raids. If that incentive comes in the form of reducing the amount of HP the bosses in those raids have, then by all means.

[Zaniel]

I've been trying to get aiming pants from Paradigm's Breach and the problem isn't even just drop rate or competition. I just can't get in. No matter what time of day it takes minimum 2 hours to get in if at all (one day I foolishly queued for 7 hours and never got in).

Not sure about your Datacentre but on mine the Neir raids are done regularly (ie almost every day) via Party Finder, no one uses Duty Finder for the old Alliance Raids. There's a constant stream of glam farmers. It's a bit harder to find Void or Rabanastre(sp) raids because the glams aren't as valued.

[TaleraRistain]

Well my point 3 was fairly simple, even if my idea for it was more specific.
Incentivise running those later raids. If that incentive comes in the form of reducing the amount of HP the bosses in those raids have, then by all means.

Yeah people aren't going to like it but they need to Echo the Nier raids because they're just a slog otherwise.

Not to this point but to a general trend I'm seeing in this thread, how many people complaining that AR is always CT do AR? I saw someone say they don't even do AR anymore. So how do you even know what it contains?

Maybe we can get some data from those who do interact with it on a regular basis.

I can start. I run this pretty much every day. I've been doing tank recently because I'm getting all that under my belt. I've gotten Aglaia every day this week. I got Nier every day last week, usually Paradigm's Breach. The week before that is a bit hazy but I remember seeing Weeping City more than once and I believe either Copied Factory or Puppet's Bunker was in there. I get CT so rarely that I'm surprised when I zone in and see that familiar tower. My friend did say she got LotA last night when running WHM. The times I do see CT, there's a new player message 99% of the time.

I'm on Aether. I play in Eastern prime time so this is usually between 7 to 10pm in that time zone. So things like DC, role, time, etc, can be factors. My personal experience on my DC in that time period is that the roulette is working as intended and maybe even on my DC has an annoying skew toward Nier. Because I see those raids a lot no matter what role I play.

[Ath192]

Yeah people aren't going to like it but they need to Echo the Nier raids because they're just a slog otherwise.

Idk who wouldn’t like this TBH, for example I’m a fan of difficult content but would much rather the mechanics be more lethal and hit for more and for the boss to not be a giant HP bag. That’s neither hard or interesting.

But I do think CT needs a remake. People recieved the MSQ revamps pretty well imo.

[Floortank]

Make solo versions of older raids people can farm for gear. Easy peasy.

[Raven2014]

Well there you go folks. It’s CT or nothing. And god forbid it’s anything else because they WILL dodge.

So GL op.

Devs: keep rewarding these players please. Also don’t bother releasing anything that isn’t CT again for future alliances.

Projecting much? The reason I'm shooting some idea down is because they are bad idea, coming from a the wrong mindset and mentality (beating the playing into compliance and punish them otherwise). Just because I call out your idea to the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exists, or better solution are not on the table. Plenty other people in this thread had offered alternative solution to this issue.

Idk who wouldn’t like this TBH, for example I’m a fan of difficult content but would much rather the mechanics be more lethal and hit for more and for the boss to not be a giant HP bag. That’s neither hard or interesting.

But I do think CT needs a remake. People recieved the MSQ revamps pretty well imo.

Congratulation, now you see why I cited the MSQ roullete as an example earlier. SE fail repeately to get the desire effect despite trying to balance the reward of Castrum and Preatorian several time, until they bite the bullet and re-design the whole thing so they achieve a similar parity.

It's the samething with AR, when you have 10-15min run on one side and a 30-60min run on the other side, that's impossible to juggle. The gonna have to push the CT and Void raid up a little bit while tune down Ivalice and Nier so they all meet somewhere in the middle. If on average there is only a 5-8 min variation in completion time between all raids, then it would be enough for people to consider different option in the name of variety.

This way, there is no need to split the roulette into different tier, or try to juggle different level of reward.

[Raven2014]

Another way to help boosting participation is have the old Alliance raid dropping token for old Savage gears in the same ex-pack. Savage gear is the hardest one to obtain once you miss the expansion. You usually have to wait for 3 expansion down the line for the power-curve be enough to solo it.

So, make it each tier will drop a token for the raid. So Raba will drop token for O1S-O4S, Lighthouse will drop token for O5S-O8S, while Para will drop E9S-E12S token and so on. The first two floor can have price at 4 token a piece while the last two floor will need 8 token a piece. Come to think of it, they can just make each boss drop the appropriate savage book, don't even need a new token system.


One of the biggest reason people get pulled into CT are because of Alt players like myself and a few others had admitted. Well, can't speak for other, but I can tell you if Nier become a viable way for my alts to get those sweet glam from the Eden raid ... I think people like us will show up in numbers.

[Imora]

Your loss, and for such stupid reasoning too.

Not a loss, if I'd have to put up with players with this kind of attitude.

I don't want to spend almost an hour in a raid. Even the current ones take less time than copied factory.

[Ath192]

Projecting much? The reason I'm shooting some idea down is because they are bad idea, coming from a the wrong mindset and mentality (beating the playing into compliance and punish them otherwise). Just because I call out your idea to the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exists, or better solution are not on the table. Plenty other people in this thread had offered alternative solution to this issue.

Congratulation, now you see why I cited the MSQ roullete as an example earlier. SE fail repeately to get the desire effect despite trying to balance the reward of Castrum and Preatorian several time, until they bite the bullet and re-design the whole thing so they achieve a similar parity.

I still think my idea is cheaper and would be effective. xD You just don't want the stick. So keep praying it doesn't find you. But I'll take a revamp if they want to sink resources into it.