Can something be done about alliance raids?

[Doozer]

I've been trying to get aiming pants from Paradigm's Breach and the problem isn't even just drop rate or competition. I just can't get in. No matter what time of day it takes minimum 2 hours to get in if at all (one day I foolishly queued for 7 hours and never got in).

I know people have it unlocked. But I know no one is available to do it because they're all going to CT. Roulettes are supposed to be to help fill slots, but there is never 23 other people available to do it. This is not a system working as intended.

And no, Crystal Tower being required for MSQ is not what stops Dun Scaith and higher from coming up in the roulette.

Either SE has to change something or people need to change their attitudes about what a roulette is for.

Flame me for this all you want I guess.

[Ath192]

I've been trying to get aiming pants from Paradigm's Breach and the problem isn't even just drop rate or competition. I just can't get in. No matter what time of day it takes minimum 2 hours to get in if at all (one day I foolishly queued for 7 hours and never got in).

I know people have it unlocked. But I know no one is available to do it because they're all going to CT. Roulettes are supposed to be to help fill slots, but there is never 23 other people available to do it. This is not a system working as intended.

And no, Crystal Tower being required for MSQ is not what stops Dun Scaith and higher from coming up in the roulette.

Either SE has to change something or people need to change their attitudes about what a roulette is for.

Flame me for this all you want I guess.

Once your character has cleared an alliance raid they should be on the roulette for it regardless of they de-equip their gear so long as they are the appropriate level. In other words cheesing just wouldn’t work because you can’t de level in the game.

Also, if you drop out, the rewards for that day are forfeited on that drop. If you have an unforeseen emergency that required you to drop out it’s NBD to lose a few tomestones and try again the next day.

There. Problem solved.

[Mr_Gyactus]

Once your character has cleared an alliance raid they should be on the roulette for it regardless of they de-equip their gear so long as they are the appropriate level. In other words cheesing just wouldn’t work because you can’t de level in the game.

Also, if you drop out, the rewards for that day are forfeited on that drop. If you have an unforeseen emergency that required you to drop out it’s NBD to lose a few tomestones and try again the next day.

There. Problem solved.

You solved nothing.
We [players] asked to add that ilevel requirement because there were [players] NOT upgrading their equip while levelling secondary jobs with roulettes. If you remove the ilevel requirement we return to lev80+ characters in lev80 content doing 2k dps or tanking with 10k HP.
No one usually drop out, so that's not an issue.

btw WHY the community think only about PUNISHMENT?
you obtain more with the carrot than with the stick. For example, if there is a shortage of healers, it's better to give a better reward [if a player queue as healer], than to give a penalty [if that player queue as dps].


I don't really feel like we should change anything, not for a single player doing cosmetics.
We did the farming of paradigm in 6.0 - 6.1, where were you?

[Seraphor]

I agree that being able to 'cheese' the roulette by unequiping gear shouldn't be possible... however, it really wouldn't change much.

Alliance Roulette is one of the good job levelling roulettes, it gives decent EXP, so players are likely to run it on their lower level jobs. Nearly every time I've ended up in a CT raid and bothered to check the other players, even if there's someone suddenly gaining more max HP... there's almost always a player who is legitimately under level 60. That means the CT raid would have been seeded anyway.
CT will always be grossly favoured, It's just a fact of level distribution.

I'm sure ilvl cheesing has an effect, but it's not the only or even the biggest factor. As an informed guess, I would estimate that currently Alliance Roulette distributions are something like:
75% CT - 10% Mhach - 10% Ivalice - 2% Nier - 3% Myths (Ivalice and Myths gaining a bit more coverage due to Ivalice's requirement for Bozja and Myths being the current one)

Well even if you could prevent abuse of ilvl changing, it would likely only change it to something like:
60% CT - 12% Mhach - 15% Ivalice - 5% Nier - 8% Myths

The real way to change this would be to not only restrict queuing to your highest available ilvl, but to also have Alliance Roulette be the best source of end game tomestones, on par with Expert Roulette. This would get people queuing for it on their level 90 jobs, instead of their level 50 jobs.

[Dzonathan]

Alliance Roulette is one of the good job levelling roulettes, it gives decent EXP, so players are likely to run it on their lower level jobs. Nearly every time I've ended up in a CT raid and bothered to check the other players, even if there's someone suddenly gaining more max HP... there's almost always a player who is legitimately under level 60. That means the CT raid would have been seeded anyway.

Sorry but this part is just daft. If someone ques with sub lvl60 class to AR roullette then they can not get anything but CT.

[Striker44]

Sorry but this part is just daft. If someone ques with sub lvl60 class to AR roullette then they can not get anything but CT.

I'm curious what you think is daft about what you're quoting - because what you said was exactly his point. Since someone sub-60 can only get CT, chances are high that even if there's someone in the raid who artificially lowered their ilvl, there's probably someone else who's actually sub-60, so the ilvl deflater was irrelevant. CT raids happen more frequently simply because more people who are only eligible for CT raids queue for them.

[Raoabolic]

Sorry but this part is just daft. If someone ques with sub lvl60 class to AR roullette then they can not get anything but CT.

I mean, it only does take one newb but it only takes one min-maxer who wants to find the most efficient way to knock out their roulettes to level their class/job for this as well. People will cheese any mechanic/adjustment you make just to shave off a few mins to a few seconds. It's a shame, but that's the mindset of most players now a days. Sorry. :/

[RitsukoSonoda]

I mean, it only does take one newb but it only takes one min-maxer who wants to find the most efficient way to knock out their roulettes to level their class/job for this as well. People will cheese any mechanic/adjustment you make just to shave off a few mins to a few seconds. It's a shame, but that's the mindset of most players now a days. Sorry. :/

Yet over half the CT runs I've gotten from alliance roulette take longer than Euphrosyne

[ASkellington]

There's a lot of things keeping Paradigm from coming up:

1. Its a lv80 Alliance Raid and the final one in the series IIRC. Unless someone has the previous 2 done and this one also unlocked they won't get it. Which leads to
2. outside of CT, none of the other Alliance Raids are mandatory. So if you want to never unlock them, you can (until CT was required in 5.3 you could actually do the opposite but I digress). For instance I have one character who has yet to unlock Void Ark but has the others (save for the current tier because they haven't gotten there in MSQ).
   
3. If someone is leveling and the character isn't 80+ they won't get it in roulette.
   
4. People don't queue for Alliance Raids. (I stopped after getting CT too much).
   
5. Free trial players can only get up to HW. So they don't even have access to do it at all.
   
6. Ilvl cheese. Its not as big as the previous factors but it is one.

And all it takes is for ONE PERSON out of 24 to apply to one of them, if not multiple.

All that said, I've been able to get into Yorha Raids fine on my alts. What times are you queueing? That may make the above worse.

[Doozer]

What times are you queueing? That may make the above worse.

The usual variables like time of day, role, etc. don't seem to make a difference. One time it was 2am and I got in in 5 minutes (the only time it was ever under an hour), and other times I can queue at primetime and it takes over 2 hours. I can pair with a healer or go by myself as BRD/DNC at any time of day and it still takes forever. The problem is no one is available, despite so many people having all jobs at 90 and regularly doing roulettes, but purposefully forcing CT which is the problem. Literally anything that isn't CT takes forever to get into.