Can something be done about alliance raids?

[TaleraRistain]

Well my point 3 was fairly simple, even if my idea for it was more specific.
Incentivise running those later raids. If that incentive comes in the form of reducing the amount of HP the bosses in those raids have, then by all means.

Yeah people aren't going to like it but they need to Echo the Nier raids because they're just a slog otherwise.

Not to this point but to a general trend I'm seeing in this thread, how many people complaining that AR is always CT do AR? I saw someone say they don't even do AR anymore. So how do you even know what it contains?

Maybe we can get some data from those who do interact with it on a regular basis.

I can start. I run this pretty much every day. I've been doing tank recently because I'm getting all that under my belt. I've gotten Aglaia every day this week. I got Nier every day last week, usually Paradigm's Breach. The week before that is a bit hazy but I remember seeing Weeping City more than once and I believe either Copied Factory or Puppet's Bunker was in there. I get CT so rarely that I'm surprised when I zone in and see that familiar tower. My friend did say she got LotA last night when running WHM. The times I do see CT, there's a new player message 99% of the time.

I'm on Aether. I play in Eastern prime time so this is usually between 7 to 10pm in that time zone. So things like DC, role, time, etc, can be factors. My personal experience on my DC in that time period is that the roulette is working as intended and maybe even on my DC has an annoying skew toward Nier. Because I see those raids a lot no matter what role I play.

[Ath192]

Yeah people aren't going to like it but they need to Echo the Nier raids because they're just a slog otherwise.

Idk who wouldn’t like this TBH, for example I’m a fan of difficult content but would much rather the mechanics be more lethal and hit for more and for the boss to not be a giant HP bag. That’s neither hard or interesting.

But I do think CT needs a remake. People recieved the MSQ revamps pretty well imo.

[TaleraRistain]

Idk who wouldn’t like this TBH, for example I’m a fan of difficult content but would much rather the mechanics be more lethal and hit for more and for the boss to not be a giant HP bag. That’s neither hard or interesting.

People pitched a fit when Orbonne got the Echo when Ivalice was made required for Bozja. Screaming about dumbing things down. They'll do the same if Nier gets the Echo.

[Ath192]

People pitched a fit when Orbonne got the Echo when Ivalice was made required for Bozja. Screaming about dumbing things down. They'll do the same if Nier gets the Echo.

I don’t think so. Largely because Ivalice was harder and engaging. The problems stemmed there from people losing patience on each other and rage quitting because they couldn’t do the fight and or weren’t willing to help. I ran that raid so many times back then and boy did people die. Personally I find it fun when raids have consequences and am upset at the nerf. But ultimately no one would run them. So I get averaging them out.

Nier on the other hand is just a slog. It wasn’t hard then either so there’s no dumbing down to be upset over.

Like it’s more of a reputation thing but nier never gained that reputation to begin with. Yeah there’ll be a few but I don’t think anywhere as big. And anyways, since when have they cared? It’s not like upped the difficulty on Ivalice after the outcry.

You know I think I’ve been accused of trying to run a sweat shop here by suggesting punishing players for dodging other alliance raids that aren’t CT but honestly that got me thinking that SE is super guilty of this. Basically the reward system around their instances in DF is akin to running a really low quality content mill where people just churn these things over and over until all the content is soulless and loses its spice. The facts are people don’t run the roulettes for fun, which is ironic given this is a game.

I don’t know that the DF was a good implementation in the long run. After all it trivialized and destroyed social connections and the purpose of FCs and the novice network.

Maybe the roulettes should only exist for very select current content if at all and leave the rest of the duties up to the players to connect and collaborate. Basically return some agency to the players instead of the game trying to do everything for you and feeding you BS rewards that encourage time efficiency.

We’ve seen this work actually, fringe content like BA, DRS and Rival wings that receives no support from the game has communities that are alive and dedicated to running these things. So likewise I think PFs, FCs and discord communities would step up to fill these instances and the experience would be better because of it. I just feel this approach wouldn’t trivialize the content so much everyone is bored out of their minds running it for tomestones / XP and putting up with strangers that got shoved together and become toxic when it’s meant to be a joyful experience. There will now be trusts if you don’t want to wait or be social anyways.

Alas this is just a rant.