The Definition of "Handsome"

[PaulH]

Its all subjective about attraction, handsome, masculinity etc and we all come at it and different angles, personally I find I can find people objectionably handsome as I perceive it but as a homo demi guy I vibe with personality and connection. So G'raha, yes yes, has been for me an excitable happy cat and he feeds my companionship through interaction in story and connection and he is attractive as a twunk. Oh he is virtual of course, not real but then the voice actor Jonathan Bailey is rather lovely himself.

[Gemina]

Its all subjective about attraction, handsome, masculinity etc and we all come at it and different angles, personally I find I can find people objectionably handsome as I perceive it but as a homo demi guy I vibe with personality and connection. So G'raha, yes yes, has been for me an excitable happy cat and he feeds my companionship through interaction in story and connection and he is attractive as a twunk. Oh he is virtual of course, not real but then the voice actor Jonathan Bailey is rather lovely himself.

Attraction and how handsome a person is, yes. I agree completely. Masculinity however, is not subjective. It is the opposite of femininity. It's an energy that encompasses traits, demeanor, qualities, and attributes characteristic of a male. If someone appears or looks masculine that has more to do with the vibe they give off, and/or taking the word out of context. A man or a woman who is masculine, is someone who embraces that energy. I can admit that G'raha is handsome, but his boyish qualities which I don't find appealing puts me off. I was more drawn to him as the Exarch, before we even see what he looks like. At that point there were aspects to him that were shrouded in mystery. He cloaked himself, appeared battle worn, his crystalized arm, and how he carried himself all gave off massive amounts of masculine energy. All that kind of went away when we recruit him as the newest Scion. However, he still has moments where that inner Exarch comes out, and I really enjoy it when it does.

[Iyrnthota]

It's an energy that encompasses traits, demeanor, qualities, and attributes characteristic of a male.

I'd reckon that's a lot more subjective than you seem to think it is.

[Gemina]

I'd reckon that's a lot more subjective than you seem to think it is.

Yeah, no. And any cases of such is taking the word and its meaning out of context. You're more than welcome to try though. I am all ears. You can start by looking up the definition of the word, 'Masculine'. You can also look up objective vs subjective.

[Iyrnthota]

Yeah, no. And any cases of such is taking the word and its meaning out of context. You're more than welcome to try though. I am all ears. You can start by looking up the definition of the word, 'Masculine'. You can also look up objective vs subjective.

That just how language be my dood. Not everyone always uses words exactly as dictionary defined.
Might I remind you most dictionaries now sub-define literally as "not literally" because so many people were using it "incorrectly".

[ZephyrMenodora]

Yeah, no. And any cases of such is taking the word and its meaning out of context. You're more than welcome to try though. I am all ears. You can start by looking up the definition of the word, 'Masculine'. You can also look up objective vs subjective.

There was a Vice panel of 8 to 10 men and their definition of masculinity and what it meant for them all varied, so I think in practical situations it is subjective.

Here's the character you seem to be looking for:

I mean he's basically the game's own Chad, isn't he. Surely he meets all the criteria for what YOU consider to be the proper appearance for a male?

I mentioned him earlier. Was shot down as not having eyebrows or something lol.

If we are really going to be that petty - I don't think Aveyond's hairstyle is masculine at all. There - I said it.

[Boblawblah]

It's an energy that encompasses traits, demeanor, qualities, and attributes characteristic of a male.

Two questions

1. Could you tell us what those traits/demeanor/qualities/attributes are?

2. Are the above a biological truth for males? Or more of a "that's just the way men traditionally were" thing?

[Gemina]

Two questions

1. Could you tell us what those traits/demeanor/qualities/attributes are?

A quick Google search will provide that, and I would agree with many of them. Examples would be stoicism, aggressiveness, creativity, assertiveness, dominant/domineering, opposite of feminine.

2. Are the above a biological truth for males? Or more of a "that's just the way men traditionally were" thing?

If you read up on masculinity, it will tell you that the behavioral aspect of it is a social construct, and both sexes are capable of exhibiting these traits. As such, this portion is subject for debate. While there is truth to that, the thing is there still has to be a distinction between what is masculine and what is feminine otherwise such debates couldn't even exist. Such as, "Is Zero more masculine, or feminine?" Despite that we all know she is female.

This energy when taking a biological role determines physical traits within a given person that are either masculine or feminine. Broad shoulders, square jaw, tall stature, muscular physique, hirsute, deep voice, robustness. These are physical features that are associated with males. When females have these features, it is determined that they have a masculine appearance.

It because of these reasons why I say masculinity is not subject to an opinion. I am well aware how current education seeks to blur these lines, and obstruct this truth. And I refuse to yield. I will never concede to that nonsense. This distinction is so important to not only education, but to our longevity as species in this universe. Please, never forget.

[aveyond-dreams]

It because of these reasons why I say masculinity is not subject to an opinion. I am well aware how current education seeks to blur these lines, and obstruct this truth. And I refuse to yield. I will never concede to that nonsense. This distinction is so important to not only education, but to our longevity as species in this universe. Please, never forget.

Agreed. What is immediately obvious as to what is masculine or feminine really isn't up for debate. And what is also obvious is that the main cast is in dire need of some testosterone and none of it is coming from the two males we have now. A declawed Estinien and a KPOP singer crying about his sister are the last sort of men I care to put up with, the former because of what an insult it is to see him behave this way after previously enjoying his character and the other because there's nothing in the world that could make me care about his sob story.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

And what is also obvious is that the main cast is in dire need of some testosterone and none of it is coming from the two males we have now. A declawed Estinien and a KPOP singer crying about his sister are the last sort of men I care to put up with,

What game are you even playing at this point?
Estinien was Never Declawed, and we dont have a KPOP Singer in our group. Check your Game File, you might be playing Tokyo Mirage: Sessions