Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[CrimsonThunder]

Wear whatever you want, idrc. That's not really the point of why people have issues with the Legend title, it's that it's very hard to know who actually did it or who just paid for a clear and had someone else pilot their account. Just because it's not as advertised as it used to be on the PF doesn't mean that discords don't exist where those people moved to, to continue conducting their business. If you're proud of that title, cool. If you put in the weeks/months of effort to clear it yourself, even cooler. If you paid for it though and are acting like a big shot who put the same amount of work into it as those who did legit clears...that's where people have the issue. That side of the game exists because people want the rewards but don't have time or care enough to put in the effort. It just has a negative stereotype that in my opinion is warranted and requires the person holding it to back up the weight of that title in other content or be associated with an RMT clear.

Hot take maybe but, I feel like that is a bigger example of cheating than someone using a plugin to make their UI look a bit neater. At least the person there is actually using their character and not taking a nap while another 8-man does it for them.

I actually agree with this, I've hated the selling of content for years and the effect it can have. It speaks volumes when a Heaven's Legend can't do boss relative in Barbie.

[CrimsonThunder]

My boyfriend who has played MMOs far longer than I have, said that anything related to really high prestige will lose its sheen over time - not necessarily because the content gets easier, but the content becomes less relevant the older it becomes. People who truly care about their achievement eventually swap off it outside of the first month of that content coming out. The later someone flexes that they cleared the content, for example keeping a The Legend title in current time, the more it implies that they did it for the bragging rights (or maybe even got carried).

Actually I wear my Legend titles almost exclusively until we get clear the next Ultimate, to me the weight they have representing the work and the memory me and my boys put into those fights outweighs any title I can get on my own merits. It saddens me that I will likely get lumped into the Legend memes but I care less about that over the pride I have in my team.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Actually I wear my Legend titles almost exclusively until we get clear the next Ultimate, to me the weight they have representing the work and the memory me and my boys put into those fights outweighs any title I can get on my own merits. It saddens me that I will likely get lumped into the Legend memes but I care less about that over the pride I have in my team.

I have 100% respect for this.

[Absimiliard]

Actually I wear my Legend titles almost exclusively until we get clear the next Ultimate, to me the weight they have representing the work and the memory me and my boys put into those fights outweighs any title I can get on my own merits. It saddens me that I will likely get lumped into the Legend memes but I care less about that over the pride I have in my team.

This wouldn't be a problem if the people wearing those titles weren't awful at the game most of the time. Note I say the people wearing them, not the people that have them. Granted, I think part of it can be attributed to overconfidence. Not everyone that wears the title bought it, I think we all know that. Of those that didn't but still choose to wear it all the time, overconfidence often seems to bite them in the behind.

Doesn't matter how good you are. The second you become overconfident, something can and will come along to make you look like an idiot.

[Boblawblah]

You guys have titles? I guess I never see that stuff because I disable all nameplates haha. I honestly forgot titles were a thing.

[Ath192]

This wouldn't be a problem if the people wearing those titles weren't awful at the game most of the time. Note I say the people wearing them, not the people that have them. Granted, I think part of it can be attributed to overconfidence. Not everyone that wears the title bought it, I think we all know that. Of those that didn't but still choose to wear it all the time, overconfidence often seems to bite them in the behind.

Doesn't matter how good you are. The second you become overconfident, something can and will come along to make you look like an idiot.

You are making a ton of assumptions here. Legends are high profile titles people notice, so if you see 10 making mistakes out of the 500 you come across you will start thinking they all suck because you've seen several mess up. Whereas anybody else that doesn't have a legend title could mess up over and over and you wouldn't even remember or care because it's not a prestige title.

In other words you've found an anchor for your discrimination and every time someone comes along and messes up you think "See?! I was right, there it is!". However, everytime they perform well its just expected and it doesn't register or you wouldn't even remember.

Basically "selective use of evidence" rejects material unfavorable to an argument. I am not going to dispute a lot of people buy them, in fact I saw a youtube video that shows this is a huge industry. But I think you should treat them as anyone else, because they are just people, so even legit ones may suck as puzzle solving like Rubicante EX but excel at other areas like consistency once a mechanic is mastered.

People wearing those titles doesn't mean they are good or bad, and they have all different reasons for wearing or not wearing them. The only difference is that wearing them gives you something to latch on to, and when you are looking for only bad things you will find them. The only other possible outcome here is that they don't mess up and you quickly forget, so of course you're only going to have bad things to say about them.

[Rilifane]

Do people really have nothing better to do than pay attention to what title someone is wearing in roulettes and then scrutinizing and judging them based on their performance, going full disappointed parent mode when they didn't meet whatever arbitrary standard they set?
"You wear a Legend title, I'll keep a very close eye on you to see if you're worthy. Oh no, you made a mistake. I expected better of you but you have disappointed me. I, the stranger on the internet, hereby judge you unworthy, you made a fool of yourself. Run away in shame, fool!"

You don't know if they bought the title or not and even if they did, it's not like they're stealing your cookies with it. Not your job to go against it by silently judging them.
Just enjoy the game and ignore other people's titles or what they could mean or not mean.

[Myrany]

So much of this thread boils down to cheating vs breaking the rules where breaking the rules = tos.

Some distinguish between cheating and rule breaking and others do not.

Some are willing to break rules they consider minor for whatever reason and do not consider that cheating. They then have a different feeling for what exactly constitutes cheating.

For myself I have a personal ethical issue with breaking the rules of a game. Note I am only speaking for myself here. I won't do it to the best of my ability. The rules say NO 3rd party programs. As such I refuse to use any at all.

As for what other people do. I can't know what you have on your computer unless you point it out to me. The guy I witnessed harassing a newbie in a low dungeon with actual DPS numbers? Yeah I reported him for both harassment and parsing. The guy claiming thanks to his addon I was naked and then making very lewd and offensive advances to me (I was on a lala at the time and what he was suggesting is flat illegal in many countries)? Yeah I reported him. I don't go hunting for violations. If they are shoved in my face however, I will report them. Otherwise I really don't care what you are running on your machine for your use.

I do have one exemption: I want BOTS gone from the game. I will report them every time I see them.

[NekoMataMata]

I have 100% respect for this.

Weird. I am the business owner of a multimillion dollar small business that relies on social skills. I’ve been married for 16 years and am active in my local community.

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But of course a cheater sympathizer would type something like this.

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Who says I’m mad? Amused maybe. Way to go with more baseless assumptions. This thread doesn’t impact me whatsoever.

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When you’ve accomplished as much as I have irl you can keep petty video game threads in perspective. And certainly observe actual antisocial tendencies on game forums lol.

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Lol. Well you certainly sound quite inexperienced with life and actual leadership so I believe you. I honestly don’t care if you believe me, doesn’t change my wonderful life. I only replied to your personal attack as it made me laugh how off base you are.

[Absimiliard]

You are making a ton of assumptions here. Legends are high profile titles people notice, so if you see 10 making mistakes out of the 500 you come across you will start thinking they all suck because you've seen several mess up. Whereas anybody else that doesn't have a legend title could mess up over and over and you wouldn't even remember or care because it's not a prestige title.

Seems to me you're making quite a few assumptions yourself. Did you notice that nowhere did I say everyone with a Legend title sucks? Has it not occurred to you that stereotypes tend to have a basis in fact? Making note that an inordinate number of people that go out of their way to flaunt their BK crowns and/or Legend titles wind up getting killed by dumb crap is not discrimination, nor is it an inference about people that have mentor crowns or Legend titles.

"You wear a Legend title, I'll keep a very close eye on you to see if you're worthy. Oh no, you made a mistake. I expected better of you but you have disappointed me. I, the stranger on the internet, hereby judge you unworthy, you made a fool of yourself. Run away in shame, fool!"

Other way around, actually. I expect everyone I group with, regardless of what title they wear, to perform abysmally. I don't bother to look at character names, let alone titles. Until they die, anyway. When they die, I will usually take a look to see what kind of gear they have. In the process of this, I'll of course notice their name and title. And you know what? It's usually either somebody that's obviously new, a mentor, or someone with the Legend title. Of these three demographics, the one that dies most often is definitely the mentor.

Put simply, this game's content isn't all that difficult. It's all memorization and pattern recognition. I see no reason to view Legend titles as anything special and will therefore continue to see them as nothing special, while occasionally pausing to wonder why it is the ones that are so intent on flaunting them (flaunting being different from wearing, for those that appear somehow unaware of this fact) die so often.

Interesting stuff that definitely isn't fabricated

I'm sure nothing in this post is exaggerated or untrue at all.