Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Zebraoracle]

On the one hand, a person can have an opinion on something even if they don't currently participate in it, they are entitled to that opinion even if it might in some cases not be as educated as you'd like.

On the other hand, caring about the "prestige" is kinda yikes, if you're raiding for the ego boost of being in some super elite club then I think you have bigger issues than what someone else is keeping to themselves. The majority of people are not going to care that you're afking in Limsa with your glowy weapon unscathed.

Also you can wish people would stop using mods or cheat mods all you want, that's fine I'd also like there to be no cheaters, but at the end of the day if they are keeping it to themselves and not causing Square to enact punishments on us through their design, I really don't care because it's not hurting us and I'm still doing content on my own merit.

However you become pure cringe the moment you start wishing bans on these people because you're going on a witch hunting crusade, against YoshiP's own wishes.

[ZephyrMenodora]

On the other hand, caring about the "prestige" is kinda yikes, if you're raiding for the ego boost of being in some super elite club then I think you have bigger issues than what someone else is keeping to themselves. The majority of people are not going to care that you're afking in Limsa with your glowy weapon unscathed.

I mean, people standing around afk showing off their in-game earned gear has been a thing in MMOs forever. Especially raiders that typically have very unique items compared to the majority of the playerbase. It's just one of the rewards for tackling difficult content.

I've seen people do it here with their weapon skins and rare mounts.

Not everyone has to care about this, but a lot of long-time raiders probably had a moment where they were proud of something unique they earned due to overcoming challenge. It's a small symbol of pride in the context of your hobby. Don't try to make people sound like they have "bigger issues" than simply taking pride in something they accomplished.

EDIT: Hit my post limit for today.

That's not what I said at all, but okay. And yes, I'm fully aware of the history, and it's the same now as it used to be, hardly anyone else cares about you outside of a two second "neat okay moving on". You brought up the prestige of it, being proud of an accomplishment isn't the same thing as caring about the prestige.

The unique gear / mount only accessible to successful raiders is the representation of the accomplishment. To some people, that carries prestige in the context of their hobby. I don't see how this rises to "yikes" and "bigger issues." It's fine you place little value on these things, but that's not the case for everyone. It can just be a small token that they get to show off in game. I'm not the one with a melodramatic reaction - I'm sure you just dislike me as a poster which I'm completely fine with.

[Zebraoracle]

I mean, people standing around afk showing off their in-game earned gear has been a thing in MMOs forever. Especially raiders that typically have very unique items compared to the majority of the playerbase. It's just one of the rewards for tackling difficult content.

I've seen people do it here with their weapon skins and rare mounts.

Not everyone has to care about this, but a lot of long-time raiders probably had a moment where they were proud of something unique they earned due to overcoming challenge. It's a small symbol of pride in the context of your hobby. Don't try to make people sound like they have "bigger issues" than simply taking pride in something they accomplished.

That's not what I said at all, but okay. And yes, I'm fully aware of the history, and it's the same now as it used to be, hardly anyone else cares about you outside of a two second "neat okay moving on". You brought up the prestige of it, being proud of an accomplishment isn't the same thing as caring about the prestige.

[Rolder50]

I mean, people standing around afk showing off their in-game earned gear has been a thing in MMOs forever. Especially raiders that typically have very unique items compared to the majority of the playerbase. It's just one of the rewards for tackling difficult content.

As a little side note here, thanks to third party tools you can also tell if the person bought their prestigious weapons and such with carries.

[ZephyrMenodora]

As a little side note here, thanks to third party tools you can also tell if the person bought their prestigious weapons and such with carries.

That's pretty neat, IMO.

[Zebraoracle]

I mean, people standing around afk showing off their in-game earned gear has been a thing in MMOs forever. Especially raiders that typically have very unique items compared to the majority of the playerbase. It's just one of the rewards for tackling difficult content.

I've seen people do it here with their weapon skins and rare mounts.

Not everyone has to care about this, but a lot of long-time raiders probably had a moment where they were proud of something unique they earned due to overcoming challenge. It's a small symbol of pride in the context of your hobby. Don't try to make people sound like they have "bigger issues" than simply taking pride in something they accomplished.

EDIT: Hit my post limit for today.



The unique gear / mount only accessible to successful raiders is the representation of the accomplishment. To some people, that carries prestige in the context of their hobby. I don't see how this rises to "yikes" and "bigger issues." It's fine you place little value on these things, but that's not the case for everyone. It can just be a small token that they get to show off in game. I'm not the one with a melodramatic reaction - I'm sure you just dislike me as a poster which I'm completely fine with.

Just saw this. For one, who are you that I should waste my time disliking you? I don't mean that in a disparaging way, I literally just can't be bothered to care about holding grudges against someone I disagree with on the forums of an MMO. People disagree with each other, big whoop, unlike some people (especially in this thread...) I don't take that as a personal attack, so just because we disagree doesn't mean I dislike you. There's always another human on the other side of the screen, something a lot of people forget.

Second, you're misrepresenting my words again. I care about my own achievements because I only do stuff in this game that I find enjoyable. I care about my friends' achievements because they are my friends and I'm interested in what they've got going on. I don't give two craps about Joe Shmoe afking in Limsa with a glowy weapon in his hands, and judging by everyone running past him, neither do most people. In fact, I've seen more memes and mockery of these people than admiration (anecdotal evidence, so take it as you will). That's what I think of every time someone comes into these threads complaining about the "prestige" of raiding (you are not the first), and every time those people show it's just about ego for them, which to me is baffling and yes does make it seem like those people have issues. Like why is it so important for you (you in general not specifically) to be able to show off to strangers that don't know or care about you? Hell, maybe I'm just jaded from so many of these stupid discussions that just go round and round in circles lol

[ZephyrMenodora]

Just saw this. For one, who are you that I should waste my time disliking you? I don't mean that in a disparaging way, I literally just can't be bothered to care about holding grudges against someone I disagree with on the forums of an MMO.

Second, you're misrepresenting my words again. I care about my own achievements because I only do stuff in this game that I find enjoyable. I care about my friends' achievements because they are my friends and I'm interested in what they've got going on. I don't give two craps about Joe Shmoe afking in Limsa with a glowy weapon in his hands, and judging by everyone running past him, neither do most people. In fact, I've seen more memes and mockery of these people than admiration (anecdotal evidence, so take it as you will). That's what I think of every time someone comes into these threads complaining about the "prestige" of raiding (you are not the first), and every time those people show it's just about ego for them, which to me is baffling and yes does make it seem like those people have issues. Like why is it so important for you (you in general not specifically) to be able to show off to strangers that don't know or care about you? Hell, maybe I'm just jaded from so many of these stupid discussions that just go round and round in circles lol

Because it's an mmo, and a small fun part of MMOs is showing off your accomplishments. That's why there are titles, and unique mounts and things for certain achievements, raiding or otherwise. It doesn't mean someone has a huge ego, or overvalues their MMO accomplishments in their real life. It's just a fun thing because this is a hobby and a game. One you clearly don't care about at all, which is fine, but doesn't mean people can't have their fun and show off a little when they spent weeks / months as a coordinated team to down the most challenging content. Letting them show off their shiny thing almost no one else has doesn't mean they need a therapist.

I've been traveling across the country for two days, I'm too exhausted to bother trying to explaining this a third time since you're still not getting my point. Agree to disagree and all that jazz.

I understand your point. You just can't see that not all players think like you do about it. I can see cool current-gear raid gear or mounts out and about being used by *gasp* total strangers and think it's a neat/cool thing they have. Some players like to sit in town AFK showing off the shiny new thing. Doesn't mean it's "all about ego" and the only reason they raid. It's just a small part of raiding for some raiders who accomplished something most players haven't.

You don't feel this way, which is fine. I can understand your point of view - you are the one seemingly unable to comprehend the other side and then act like I'm the one confused.

[Zebraoracle]

Because it's an mmo, and a small fun part of MMOs is showing off your accomplishments. That's why there are titles, and unique mounts and things for certain achievements, raiding or otherwise. It doesn't mean someone has a huge ego, or overvalues their MMO accomplishments in their real life. It's just a fun thing because this is a hobby and a game. One you clearly don't care about at all, which is fine, but doesn't mean people can't have their fun and show off a little when they spent weeks / months as a coordinated team to down the most challenging content. Letting them show off their shiny thing almost no one else has doesn't mean they need a therapist.

I've been traveling across the country for two days, I'm too exhausted to bother trying to explaining this a third time since you're still not getting my point. Agree to disagree and all that jazz.

[LianaThorne]

Because it's an mmo, and a small fun part of MMOs is showing off your accomplishments. That's why there are titles, and unique mounts and things for certain achievements, raiding or otherwise. It doesn't mean someone has a huge ego, or overvalues their MMO accomplishments in their real life. It's just a fun thing because this is a hobby and a game. One you clearly don't care about at all, which is fine, but doesn't mean people can't have their fun and show off a little when they spent weeks / months as a coordinated team to down the most challenging content. Letting them show off their shiny thing almost no one else has doesn't mean they need a therapist.



I understand your point. You just can't see that not all players think like you do about it. I can see cool current-gear raid gear or mounts out and about being used by *gasp* total strangers and think it's a neat/cool thing they have. Some players like to sit in town AFK showing off the shiny new thing. Doesn't mean it's "all about ego" and the only reason they raid. It's just a small part of raiding for some raiders who accomplished something most players haven't.

You don't feel this way, which is fine. I can understand your point of view - you are the one seemingly unable to comprehend the other side and then act like I'm the one confused.

I cbf to edit the specific point I'm referring to but just wanted to mention one thing:

You're aware people buy savage and ultimate clears, right? Like...you act like it's a massive accomplishment when you can buy a clear and have it done that same day. I honestly don't trust any Legends off the bat unless I know them personally because there's no real way to tell how exactly they got that title.

If we're really gonna talk cheating, how about we start with people piloting your account for you or eating dirt while everyone else clears for you?

[Saraide]

I cbf to edit the specific point I'm referring to but just wanted to mention one thing:

You're aware people buy savage and ultimate clears, right? Like...you act like it's a massive accomplishment when you can buy a clear and have it done that same day. I honestly don't trust any Legends off the bat unless I know them personally because there's no real way to tell how exactly they got that title.

In reality legend titles just point out who it is okay to laugh at when they fail any mechanic.