Inconsistencies with the sundering (Spoilers)

[PeaTearGriffin]

Which is fine, but you're behaving as this fan theory that isn't yours but a friend's unless I'm mistaken as something new and unique.

If you're admitting that it's fine then let it be. Simple as that. I know this fan theory might not be new or unique. I even acknowledged that earlier by saying "I'm sure there's been plenty of discourse about the story ever since the game was released" implying that the alternate fan theories I mentioned may have already been said. But that doesn't mean I can't talk about it on the forums here.

You also seem to not understand how much aether is needed to get to the ends of the universe. It'd be like expecting a 1930s Woodie to get you to the moon and back with just regular diesel gas.

But lets not forget that unsundered etheirys and its inhabitants are a lot more aetherically dense than the sundered world. Sure it may take 12,000 years for the sundered to collect that much aether but what about the unsundered? It could take dramatically less time for them to do so, and what would be the huge deal if it did take a lot of time?

Meanwhile you're there going I'm sure Hydelean a being that yes is bigger and more powerful than let's say Ramuh who when summoned ate 12 unsundered beings could just fly there. When we know that two unsundered beings that flew from somewhere around the Dragon Star or the Alpha star made it to Etheryis on basically fumes. Omega was severely damaged to the point on the way here had to systematically shut down their other systems. Midgardsormr lost their firey mane and went to sleep guarding Silver Tear lake soon after.

Someone else made this suggestion. The only thought I really had on this idea was that it would be a pretty cool cutscene if Hydaelyn flew out and killed meteion herself.

Then there's Zodiark who couldn't jump start one planet's ecosystem without half of the population after its first summoning was also sacrificed.

Yes, this makes sense for the actual game's story, but I was talking with another forum member about an alternate reality where Zodiark was much much more powerful and naturally had a lot more aether.

People turned into Blasphemies after Zodiark died because of the thinness of aether. It's the same reason why the Ancients themselves weren't and couldn't be affected by the song of Oblivion yet their creations were. It's because their creations are naturally thinner in aether.

Yes, that's correct. The thinness of their aether allowed them to be affected by dynamis more, as opposed to the ancients who had a lot more aether and couldn't be directly affected by dynamis but their creation magics were.

[SannaR]

Snips.

You're right we don't know how long it would take them to gather enough energy to send something on at least a one way trip. This of course is assuming that Hermes didn't go rogue and the knowledge of sacrificing half of the planet's population didn't actually deal with the root of the problem that caused the final days didn't create mass hysteria at the same time. What we do know is after something was cleared for release into the wild for the betterment of the star is they were hands off. That and returning to the star was according to Hythlodaeus always beautiful and something to be celebrated. And yet for whatever reason the remaining ancients post Zodiark's initial summoning felt they could not or would not be willing to wait for the ecosystem to rejuvenate itself.

So, why do you think those who couldn't wait for that to happen on its own would be willing to wait for enough aether or whatever they ended up using to send a group of people, or familiars, or creations to go fight something they don't know how to fight? Would they even choose to send our pre-sundered self? As at that point in time Azem had left the convocation and been labeled as a traitor? Or Hermes in a "Hey Jackrabbit you got us into this mess now go deal with your pet project"? Or do you not even think about taking said risk because they one or both could choose to sabotage the mission even if you saw it as a suicide mission. Not that I think Azem would be that spiteful.

The other thing is would they i.e convocation and any general public choose to want to use Zodiark to speed up the process and thusly condemning even more souls to live inside it? You know not allowing said souls to being able to return to the Star which was pre Zodiark something they cared immensely about. To the point people who even though they respected Venat after she retired from being Azem would occasionally ask her when would she you know go and kick the bucket? As it was going against custom to not do so after stepping down from such a prestigious position. Sure they might not have celebrated it like a New Orleans wake, but Hythlodaeus and Emet did make it seem as though it was to be seen as a joyous occasion. That is a lot of speculation with very little information to say which way it all would go as we only really know how Emet , Hermes, Venat, Elidibus and Lahabrea would probably react. As we barely interacted with Igeyorhm, Nabriales or Mitron. The rest of the convocation is very much a mystery as to their personalities. Even Logrith is a mystery as Gia acts differently than how she did before the sundering.

[PeaTearGriffin]

So, why do you think those who couldn't wait for that to happen on its own would be willing to wait for enough aether or whatever they ended up using to send a group of people, or familiars, or creations to go fight something they don't know how to fight?

Because some ancients might see or can be convinced that its better to solve the root of the problem instead of just applying a band-aid solution like zodiark. Venat certainly saw that it was necessary to fight the root of the problem which is partly the reason why she sundered everyone. Also there's the possibility that gathering the aether might not take that long.

I'll dive a little bit into what I think could've happened. This is just a fan theory so don't take this too seriously. Venat could put a plan into action that involves informing the other ancients of what she learned from her encounter with meteion and hermes WITHOUT implicating hermes. She could say: "Look, your memory is gone but mine isn't. Your creation went crazy and escaped and is coming back to kill us all and we need to do something." All the while she could tiptoe around the fact that hermes attacked her, emet, hythlodaeus, and the WoL at Ktisis Hyperboreia. Why avoid revealing this to hermes? Because they need hermes' cooperation because he knows the most about meteion. Would the revelation that all the ancients might die to hermes' creation cause panic and mass hysteria? It might and it probably will. But that doesn't mean the ancients will refuse or are incapable of a devising a plan to fight meteion. Once the hysteria subsides they can begin working on a plan to travel to the edge of the universe and kill meteion.

In the event that it does take lots of time to prepare for an assault on meteion I'd imagine there would be a lot more resistance to carrying out such a plan, so venat would have to sway public opinion. She would have to convince everyone into taking a course of action that resolves the problem at the source (killing meteion) instead of just a band-aid solution that is zodiark's aether shield. Will it be hard to convince all the ancients that this is a plan worth putting into action? Yes. Will it be impossible? No.

Or Hermes in a "Hey Jackrabbit you got us into this mess now go deal with your pet project"? Or do you not even think about taking said risk because they one or both could choose to sabotage the mission even if you saw it as a suicide mission.

If hermes were to join the expedition to the edge of the universe only to betray the entire crew, that would in my opinion make for a very entertaining cutscene. It would almost be like Cypher from the Matrix where he betrays morpheus and everyone on the ship.

The other thing is would they i.e convocation and any general public choose to want to use Zodiark to speed up the process and thusly condemning even more souls to live inside it?

If it's to eliminate something that's a threat to their entire civilization, yes possibly. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If someone had a chance to sacrifice themselves to zodiark in order to save everyone on the star, I'd say that's something that the ancients might find worth celebrating too.