P12 Raid Theme lyrics

[Kaliesto]

So someone on youtube made a interesting comment.

Is it really Athena singing or is it Ultima singing to Athena?

[Enkidoh]

There's a thread for that very discussion in the Lore section already which is currently debating that very topic.

Also you might want to spoiler that.

General belief is it's Athena, because, well... it's Athena's battle and her name is right there in the song's title ('Athena, the Tireless One').

[DiaDeem]

Zodiark never uses Ultima, yet Lahabrea says it's but a test of "His God's Power"
What "God" was Lahabrea actually talking about bringing back?
He left Gaius to fight alone during the second half of the fight. The heart just awoke. Who's actually casting the second Ultima spell where we need LB3?

[Kaliesto]

Zodiark never uses Ultima, yet Lahabrea says it's but a test of "His God's Power"
What "God" was Lahabrea actually talking about bringing back?
He left Gaius to fight alone during the second half of the fight. Who's actually casting the second Ultima spell where we need LB3?

I assumed Lahabrea just tapped into the Heart of Sabik to perform Ultima, least that was the impression I got.

[DiaDeem]

I assumed Lahabrea just tapped into the Heart of Sabik to perform Ultima, least that was the impression I got.

The first one, yes.

He was gone for the second one. "The rest I leave to you" he says and then doesn't show up until Gaius is beaten. We don't even get any lines from him when the second Ultima is being cast.

[Enkidoh]

The first one, yes.

He was gone for the second one. "The rest I leave to you" he says and then doesn't show up until Gaius is beaten. We don't even get any lines from him when the second Ultima is being cast.

I'm not sure how it is in the modern version of Porta Dorcuma (as I haven't done the new version of the Ultima Weapon fight), but during the original version as part of the Praetorium when Lahabrea casts Ultima for the second time, Gaius panics and shouts to him "Damn you Ascian! Haven't you done enough destruction?!" (paraphrased), and Hydaelyn then makes a comment that she cannot step in to save you again this time.

Which was of course the clue that you absolutely must finish the fight before Lahabrea got the spell off, otherwise it was naturally a complete wipe and your blasted corpses decorating the floor of the Praetorium as the only reward. I just clarfied that with my old screenshots from 2013, as can be seen in a screenshot below (party member identities edited out for privacy's sake):



*I'm sorry the image turned out so small.. and yet ends up badly stretched when viewed full size... story of my life I guess.

[DiaDeem]

I'm not sure how it is in the modern version of Porta Dorcuma (as I haven't done the new version of the Ultima Weapon fight), but during the original version as part of the Praetorium when Lahabrea casts Ultima for the second time, Gaius panics and shouts to him "Damn you Ascian! Haven't you done enough destruction?!" (paraphrased), and Hydaelyn then makes a comment that she cannot step in to save you again this time.

Which was of course the clue that you absolutely must finish the fight before Lahabrea got the spell off, otherwise it was naturally a complete wipe and your blasted corpses decorating the floor of the Praetorium as the only reward. I just clarfied that with my old screenshots from 2013, as can be seen in a screenshot below (party member identities edited out for privacy's sake):



*I'm sorry the image turned out so small.. and yet ends up badly stretched when viewed full size... story of my life I guess.

Yeah, those same lines are still in the Ultima fight, but Gaius is just assuming it would have been Lahabrea who performed the second cast, but he's nowhere to be seen, there's no dialogue from him at all, there's no indication that he returned, and once he does, he makes no mention of any second use of Ultima.

What if that second cast came from the Heart itself? What if Lahabrea's "God" in this instance wasn't Zodiark?

Mind you, the theory would require a bit of a retcon, but after 10 years, Zodiark was never related to either the Ultima spell or the Heart of Zabik in any capacity. Instead, we know Athena developed the spell, that her goal was to become a "God" and that her essence was in the Heart at the time of the Ultima battle.

Of course it's just a theory, but is it that crazy really?