Far Northern Attire

[Nightroad]

One of my heroes once said : If you want to know what is going on , follow the money.

Oh , and bought !

[Fawkes]

If other people are certain that these costumes here don't look the same as each other, then I really don't know what more I can say.

They are less similar than the Sephirot theme is to that Powerman 5000 song.

[Reinha]

I don't think it is the only similarity. I think that all the similarities add up to a close copy overall.

Similarities such as? Which stolen elements unique to the Sami culture are they owed compensation for?

Taking inspiration and copying are different things and no culture has a claim to someone else's art.

[Mikey_R]

Saying this generically, because I don't have any of the knowledge of what they actually do besides make demands when their culture is portrayed in media.

BUT. The mere fact that they are seeking money does not immediately make them the villain. It depends what they want or indeed need the money for. If they want they money to do what they can to safeguard their culture, that's a very different thing to seeking it for personal profit.

The thing is, it isn't just about this, it is about what sort of an example this represents. Say they do get money, this opens up avenues for other groups of people to say, you took our culture, give us money. Would a Western media company have to pay someone if they wanted to portray Japanese people in Kimonos, as an example? Which then goes onto, who would they even pay? Which then raises the other question, who is this group that is demanding money from SE? They say they are a 'council', but, in this very thread, there are examples of people who are either closely tied into the culture, or are even from it, saying they do not care that the item in question exists and actually like the fact it is in the game. So clearly this 'council' doesn't necessarily represent the people. Have they had a vote as to this issue? Do the people even really care?

By now, everyone knows this is just a way for them to get money and I guarantee this was partially fuelled by Disney giving them some. If I can get it from Disney, maybe we can try and extort money from other big companies. This was never about the clothes, this was about money, plain and simple.

[Melorie]

As someone that follows closely indigenous movements from a lot of different parts of the world, although I'm not familiar with the Saami situation or culture, it is truly amazing how people defend and act like companies should be able to use a traditional attire/symbols and gain money from them without EVER involving these groups into the discussion. Just grabbing the aesthetic and using it for profit.

Far worse is the amount of people that are quickly to defend SE using traditional attires to make money but turning the moral compass when it comes to cultural institutions that are made from the people that keep this culture alive and pass on the ancestral knowledge wants the same. You don't even KNOW the moral and values of those that participate in the institution, yet you're certain that they're greedy people that have no point or argument that's valuable to discussion.

It's kinda ridiculous. You treat the institution as some sort of greedy villains, band of thugs that only care about money and you don't bat an eye for this huge gaming company that could be doing better when it comes to dealing with cultural symbols.

Weird to see how for some, their 18 usd 3d clothing for their virtual catgirl is more important than any discussion regarding how we should approach cultural representation and how we are able to do it in a way that includes and promotes those that keep that same culture alive. Imagine being this self-centered.

[Mikey_R]

As someone that follows closely indigenous movements from a lot of different parts of the world, although I'm not familiar with the Saami situation or culture, it is truly amazing how people defend and act like companies should be able to use a traditional attire/symbols and gain money from them without EVER involving these groups into the discussion. Just grabbing the aesthetic and using it for profit.

Far worse is the amount of people that are quickly to defend SE using traditional attires to make money but turning the moral compass when it comes to cultural institutions that are made from the people that keep this culture alive and pass on the ancestral knowledge wants the same. You don't even KNOW the moral and values of those that participate in the institution, yet you're certain that they're greedy people that have no point or argument that's valuable to discussion.

It's kinda ridiculous. You treat the institution as some sort of greedy villains, band of thugs that only care about money and you don't bat an eye for this huge gaming company that could be doing better when it comes to dealing with cultural symbols.

Weird to see how for some, their 18 usd 3d clothing for their virtual catgirl is more important than any discussion regarding how we should approach cultural representation and how we are able to do it in a way that includes and promotes those that keep that same culture alive. Imagine being this self-centered.

As a counter point. If you want people to appreciate a culture more, do you not think it would be a good idea to promote it? Rather than going in guns blazing about money, why not take the opportunity to educate people. Something along the lines of, look, this game has added something related to our culture, here is a brief lesson in how this is important to us and what it represents. However, they have not done that on 2 occasions. They have gone in with the aim of getting money, which is exactly the same mentality as the one they are attempting to get money from.

However, that still does not answer the important question, why is this not the case for other forms of cultural wear? Kimonos are very iconic from a Japanese culture point of view, however, you don't see any Japanese people wanting royalties from someone else who is using it in their media, western or otherwise.

Plus, as has been mentioned, there are those out there who do not care that it is in the game and appreciate that a part of their culture has been represented, so again, who does this entity speak for and how have they come to the decision.

So, until the above points can be countered with a reasonable explanation, the only conclusion is, just like everyone else, they are driven by money, being spurred on by the fact Disney let them get away with it.

[Boblawblah]

As someone that follows closely indigenous movements from a lot of different parts of the world, although I'm not familiar with the Saami situation or culture, it is truly amazing how people defend and act like companies should be able to use a traditional attire/symbols and gain money from them without EVER involving these groups into the discussion. Just grabbing the aesthetic and using it for profit.

Far worse is the amount of people that are quickly to defend SE using traditional attires to make money but turning the moral compass when it comes to cultural institutions that are made from the people that keep this culture alive and pass on the ancestral knowledge wants the same. You don't even KNOW the moral and values of those that participate in the institution, yet you're certain that they're greedy people that have no point or argument that's valuable to discussion.

It's kinda ridiculous. You treat the institution as some sort of greedy villains, band of thugs that only care about money and you don't bat an eye for this huge gaming company that could be doing better when it comes to dealing with cultural symbols.

Weird to see how for some, their 18 usd 3d clothing for their virtual catgirl is more important than any discussion regarding how we should approach cultural representation and how we are able to do it in a way that includes and promotes those that keep that same culture alive. Imagine being this self-centered.

So, are you arguing that using something from a culture without acknowledging the culture is actively harming said culture?

[Greyhawk]

SE can kindly tell them to fk off.

This just makes me want to go buy the outfit, and I don't even really like it all that much.

While we are at it, where is PETA too? I mean, look at all these animals we are using, riding, killing for experience, stuffing and using for decoration and pets.

*eye roll*

[DixieBellOCE]

The Sami people culturally appropriated the English Language to complain.

/thread

[Burmecia]

If other people are certain that these costumes here don't look the same as each other, then I really don't know what more I can say.

The sami costume thing can be made out of blue wool fabric, but not all blue wool fabric tunic-like pieces of clothing are sami costume thing.



There is plenty of places where the preferred colour is black; there is green and yellow gakti too --- looks like most colours are ok until they are not. And as i understood broadcloth is not the only one used, cotton, silk, synthetic fabrics and leather among others are ok.

If you were to sew Northern attire yourself, like as real piece of clothing for cosplay, the pattern/design/cut would be pretty different from sami costume thing. This is probably what I was looking for from the beginning; not the colours but the damn design. I'm not the most skilled dressmaker, one shouldn't be to see that the shape of the these two pieces of clothing is far apart from one another.



And the embroidery in FF14 glamour looks more like russian style to me.