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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Oh damn if they remove it from the game I want my money back...
    This alone is why I doubt they're going to remove the outfit. SE refunding all of the money they've made from Far Northern Attire purchases? Sure, when pigs fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronibosch View Post
    This alone is why I doubt they're going to remove the outfit. SE refunding all of the money they've made from Far Northern Attire purchases? Sure, when pigs fly.
    honestly though I dont know if they even got that much bank on the outfit. I've seen its use very rarely in Crystal. I just think the outfit wasnt as popular to most people, certainly not as much as Gaia's outfit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    honestly though I dont know if they even got that much bank on the outfit. I've seen its use very rarely in Crystal. I just think the outfit wasnt as popular to most people, certainly not as much as Gaia's outfit.
    True. I'll admit that I haven't seen that many characters wearing it, probably only one or two. It clashes with a lot of gear, in my opinion.
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    Is this outfit new? It would look cute on me I think, might buy it now. Thanks, you really went above and aveyond the call of duty here
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    These Sami are starting to sound like the Aboriginals in Australia.

    "Take what you can, claim everything"
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    I'm surprised this article took so long to be written as this stir was happening back when the outfit was released. Partly from those who weren't from said oppressed group. Others from a loud vocal minority of said group. So it really is old news.
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    So there's a whole sorry heap of ignorance on display here in this thread. A lot of you are clearly uninformed - or perhaps you just don't care - about the racism the Sami have suffered over many years. I don't necessarily expect you to care if you don't live in a nordic country, but some of you, I really do hope, will care about racism and the forms it takes, and also about learning how to respond to situations regarding racism appropriately. But you can imagine it has been bleak, and so not something I want to go into further details about here. I've learned about it as an immigrant in Norway (residency and citizenship requirement), and for sure when I first saw the outfit I was puzzled and wondered if they'd worked with a Sami collaborator on it. It's easy to misunderstand what a faux pas it is not to do this in the correct fashion, but underlines the importance of dialogue when designing outside of your wheelhouse, so to speak. Essentially, Square-Enix have stuffed this up by not contacting a representative ahead of creating the outfit. If SE had done their due diligence, this would likely be fine. Please note, I'm not saying SE has actively partaken in conscious racism here; but it may need to consider how to conduct itself with great care and respect with this particular situation (and any others like it).

    If you want to educate yourselves about Sami culture and just why it's so important to the people, and anyone else cashing in on their culture is deeply problematic, don't imagine or make things up, do some good reading at the following links:

    https://unric.org/en/sami-we-are-the-natives-of-this-country/ (this one's in English)

    https://sametinget.no/om-sametinget/...nede-strategi/ (Norwegian Sami Parliament page, if you don't speak a variation of Sami or Norsk Bokmål, use your translator)

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/t...c-sapmi-region (also English)

    https://www.samediggi.fi/ethical-gui...en#toggle-id-7 (Finnish site, but with English language toggle).

    This last one may be the most useful for anyone confused as to why this is a problem.

    I would like to think reading the information in the links would provide you all with some enlightenment on the issues here, but if not, I can't help you further. (I will not be returning to this topic, I just hope the links help someone understand the gravity here.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceridwenae View Post
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    I read that stuff...but I'm still not understanding how having an outfit that resembles their dress is "damaging" or something people should be having to pay royalties to use.

    I can sympathize with the struggles they've had, but I feel like the hard stance they're taking is more likely to sour views of them then anything else.
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    No, I do not care that some random people have enough time on their hands to bring in real world drama into FFXIV over an outfit. Attempts at doing so must be resisted at each front. FFXIV is not the real world, and it's past time some people accept that. End of. "Contacting the head of representation" before making gear is as hilarious as it is outrageous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    No, I do not care that some random people have enough time on their hands to bring in real world drama into FFXIV over an outfit. Attempts at doing so must be resisted at each front. FFXIV is not the real world, and it's past time some people accept that. End of. "Contacting the head of representation" before making gear is as hilarious as it is outrageous.
    Still having trouble with that empathy thing I see aveyond. Like it or not, real world 'drama' and politics are already apart of the game. Heck, were you not one of the players who said that the treatment of Garlemald in EW/the final Job quest was some form of commentary against Russia's recent actions by the writers? You can dissagree with the Saami Council like most eveyone here does, but do you not think they perhaps have a right to at least comment on how aspects of their culture is used?
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    Last edited by Hurlstone; 02-17-2023 at 10:10 AM.

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