Inconsistencies with the sundering (Spoilers)

[Atelier-Bagur]

Hermes designed a being that could reach the edge of the universe. The people from the source designed a ship that could reach the edge of the universe. Suddenly going to the edge of the universe is impossible? Also the scenario we're discussing includes a fan theory that involves a much more powerful zodiark. You're not keeping up with the discussion.

There's no need to shut down players examining the story with more granularity. If you can't handle that, this might not be the best thread for you to stick around in.

Just trying to put some perspective because a lot of these points feel like nitpicks. Again Ive addressed that the Ancients themselves were too focused on rebuilding their world to even consider going to the edge of the universe. It was certainly possible but their own crutches with lack of dynamis wouldnt have gotten them far. Also yeah, they were able to create beings like Meteion who could do it for them, but look how well that turned out for them.

[PeaTearGriffin]

Just trying to put some perspective because a lot of these points feel like nitpicks.

And that's fine because there's no rules on these forums that say we can't nitpick.

Again Ive addressed that the Ancients themselves were too focused on rebuilding their world to even consider going to the edge of the universe.

Again I'm discussing with someone else their personal fan theory. It's obviously not going to be an exact match with how the ancients from the actual game's story felt at the time.

[Atelier-Bagur]

And that's fine because there's no rules on these forums that say we can't nitpick.

and thats fine as there arent any rules on these forums where I cant nitpick your nitpick c:

[PeaTearGriffin]

and thats fine as there arent any rules on these forums where I cant nitpick your nitpick c:

So you're admitting that you would rather just sit here and be a bother.

[Atelier-Bagur]

So you're admitting that you would rather just sit here and be a bother.

Only if you're just going to continue ignoring the points Im debating your nitpicks with

[PeaTearGriffin]

Only if you're just going to continue ignoring the points Im debating your nitpicks with

Of course, these so well thought out "points" that you're making that continually confuse someone else's personal fan theory with the game's actual story. You know there's another word that describes what you're doing and that's called trolling. On other game forums and on reddit we have a penchant for blocking those who troll, and that's exactly what I'll be doing. You tried your best. Goodbye little buddy!

[Atelier-Bagur]

Of course, these so well thought out "points" that you're making that continually confuse someone else's personal fan theory with the game's actual story. You know there's another word that describes what you're doing and that's called trolling. On other game forums and on reddit we have a penchant for blocking those who troll, and that's exactly what I'll be doing. You tried your best. Goodbye little buddy!

Ok, apparently me debating you was considered trolling and I still have no clue why you keep bringing up this "special" someone's fan theory when the topic is about the inconsistencies. Whatever, I really dont care what you do.

[Fiel_Tana]

Again Ive addressed that the Ancients themselves were too focused on rebuilding their world to even consider going to the edge of the universe.

References for that claim please.

Well now I'm confused because it says that "Dynamis is a far weaker form of energy, and is almost completely nullified by Aether in equal quantities." They don't interact with each other so to speak but they can cancel each other out according to the game. Here's a link to the website that I'm getting my information from https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Dynamis

Theoretically this means that a ton of aether could blast meteion away because dynamis can be completely nullified and cancelled out by aether even in equal quantities. Also you raise another good point. Hydaelyn, using the logic that aether nullifies dynamis, and if she was able to, could've gone out into space and killed meteion too. That would've made one hell of a cutscene.

Yes, that is a very good point and another piece of the story that makes the entire dynamis thing fall apart. They could use it (as shown in many ways in the story), were in a way less weak to dynamis than the sundered. Their creations were turned into monsters whereas the sundered themselves turned.

What are some notable examples?

As I wrote on page 1 here.

If the ancients couldn't manipulate dynamis, how did Hermes create Metion? Why did the elpis flowers react to their emotions? How did Emet-Selch and Hythlodeus use creation magic in Ultima Thule to not only make an entire field of elpis flowers, but also make the liveable environment permanent so the scions could come back? What part of manipulating dynamis were they incapable of, that only the sundered could do?

Clearly they can manipulate and interact with dynamis as shown in those notable examples.

[Gemina]

As I wrote on page 1 here.

"If the ancients couldn't manipulate dynamis, how did Hermes create Metion? Why did the elpis flowers react to their emotions? How did Emet-Selch and Hythlodeus use creation magic in Ultima Thule to not only make an entire field of elpis flowers, but also make the liveable environment permanent so the scions could come back? What part of manipulating dynamis were they incapable of, that only the sundered could do?"

Clearly they can manipulate and interact with dynamis as shown in those notable examples.

It is explicitly stated by Hermes during the WoL's time in Elpis that the aetheric makeup of the ancients is far too dense for them to be able to manipulate dynamis. This explains how sundered souls, which are 1/14th the aetheric density are capable of using limit break along with other examples of dynamis manipulation such as the Song of Oblivion in the BRD questline. He also stated that the entire universe is approximately composed of around 67% dynamis; meaning it stretches out to just about every corner of the existing universe.

Dynamis being an energy source is governed by emotions. What this explains is that while the ancients could not manipulate Dynamis at will, that does not mean it does not react to their emotions. Hence, the Elpis flowers changing colors. Elpis flowers are created by the use of aether, not dynamis. And the same goes for sustaining the hospitable environment on Ultima Thule. That is all aetheric and an essential component in thwarting Meteion's plans who bends Dynamis to her own will.

As for Meteion's creation, iirc she is still comprised of aether. It is just extremely faint. Emet Selch could have easily killed her with a snap of his finger, but there were a couple of things that stopped him from doing so. He wanted to hear her report, ascertain her cause, and became aware of her sisters; but when he was done with all that, Hermes intervened. He then sacrificed his time and memory in order to create an opportunity for the WoL and Venat to escape Ktisis Hyperboreia.

It's been a year since I've done all this, so some stuff is fuzzy. But yeah.