Remove FC housing entirely

[PaalHenrik]

I have a better idea. Remove Personal housing altogether. The FC house is were a number of my members congregate and it's nice to see people around, especially as we have 2 active neighbouring FCs that we are friends with. The personal wards and personal housing is dead. There's no one around in those wards.

Maybe your wards but I won a plot on Brimming Heart and I met 3 of my neighbours in one day.

[CatStarwind]

Agreed, I've had plenty of interaction with neighbors and it's always fun to see their interior/exterior designs. End of the day it's a community game, whether it's strangers or FC mates it's super nice when that number is more than one.

If you really want a ghost town take a stroll through a submarine ward. The same default houses everywhere with zero decorations. I wouldn't blame anyone for being depressed having a plot in one of those wards.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

Why is removing things from other players THE thing you are asking for, instead of... maybe asking for a solution to the problem that benefits everyone? I am genuinly curious, because you are not the only one showcasing this approach, so there must be something I am missing.

Also adding more benefits to houses does come with a drawback. For example I'd rather craft anywhere I want without having to go to a specific place only to not miss out on a buff. Having to return to my house anytime I log out is also more inconvenient than just logging out in any rest location. I would rather have the exact opposite: As long as not everyone / every FC can have access to a house, no more benefits should be included to them, and existing benefits should be made accessible to everyone. This goes for gardening and airships / submarines, storage etc. Content should not be gated behind a restriction that is based on limited supply.

I'm assuming if a solution that made everyone happy existed and was possible that SE would be smart enough to implement it. So the choices we assume are available are, to either remove player housing to make room for more FC housing or vice versa. Since there are significantly more players I don't see removing FC housing as fixing the problem. I personally would like instanced housing since wards seem like a massive waste of resources as very few people utilize the ward in ways you couldn't by inviting someone to a instance.

The resting bonus idea was to apply to the player while they are online not just when they are logged out. The idea is that you are not missing out on xp by socializing with your friends. You can hangout and recoup the xp you would have gained during that time (only a percentage) when you go back to leveling. The buffs would not be mandatory. They would work similar to food buffs, nice but not necessary. The idea here is by providing a place where people can congregate to craft or do other activities that people would become more familiar with each other and bond.

I would just like to utilize the Housing in a more practical way. Not everyone cares about decorating.

[Jojoya]

I would just like to utilize the Housing in a more practical way. Not everyone cares about decorating.

But what practical ways could there be that are valued by the player base yet don't result in ownership being seen as mandatory or necessary for economic reasons?

Not everything in a game needs to have a practical value. Look at things like glamour and minions. Removing any practical uses for housing, leaving only decorating in place, would reduce the demand for houses. Adding more practical uses would increase demand and reverse the strides that SE has made in getting supply to catch up to demand this expansion.

[Turtledeluxe]

How about no.

How about yes? FC players whine a lot but you don't bid on the plots. It's not complicated.

FC housing literally gives vastly more players a home to live in than personal housing lol!

And? There are lots of empty plots for multiple bidding periods. They aren't bidding on the houses. Once again I do not see how this is complicated. What I see is excuse making because FCs want to be catered to more than they already are. You get FC benefits already-- why does one have to be reserving housing that you don't even use?

[Elevin]

How about yes? FC players whine a lot but you don't bid on the plots. It's not complicated.



And? There are lots of empty plots for multiple bidding periods. They aren't bidding on the houses. Once again I do not see how this is complicated. What I see is excuse making because FCs want to be catered to more than they already are. You get FC benefits already-- why does one have to be reserving housing that you don't even use?

Give me some time, so I can buy up all the FC plots, it's like a 1 month turn around as is already....

Joking aside, that's a good sign because anyone that starts up an FC and wants a house can get one immediately... Great for new players!

[Solarra]

What I see is excuse making because FCs want to be catered to more than they already are. You get FC benefits already

What benefits are these, pray tell?

The grade ll buffs that are just the same as the ones individual players can get from their squad?
The grade l buffs nobody uses?
Or maybe the grade lll buffs that can be made one at a time and take three full days to charge? That's one day of slightly better buffs on one day a week.

The subs? I believe they are giving subs to individuals in the near future.

Which leaves us with the ability to make housing skins and you're not locked out from getting those, you just have to use the MB or ask friends who are in a FC with a house to help.

FCs get very, very little in this game. The longest lasting ones that I've seen are raiding FCs. Most others tend to fizzle out due to there being no real advantage to being in one and no FC content for members to cooperate with (FC crafting looked promising but was basically single person with 3 spectators, now simply single player but you still have to be in a FC with a house).

[Xelanar]

I'm assuming if a solution that made everyone happy existed and was possible that SE would be smart enough to implement it. So the choices we assume are available are, to either remove player housing to make room for more FC housing or vice versa. Since there are significantly more players I don't see removing FC housing as fixing the problem. I personally would like instanced housing since wards seem like a massive waste of resources as very few people utilize the ward in ways you couldn't by inviting someone to a instance.

There exist solutions that would at least improve the current situation. For example the implementation of wards for personal houses only, where players are only allowed to bid, if they have no house at all - account-wide.

Some improvements would take a HUGE amount of time to implement. Like new / revamped wards with upgradeable plots from S to M to L (to get rid of M and L house scarcity entirely), providing S and M houses with an "outer Ring" of premade decoration to prevent S houses from looking silly on L-sized plots. It is not impossible to do. It just takes a ton of time and money, which honestly... a successfull MMO like FFXIV should have available at some point.

Same goes for a more frequent increase in wards, so people who came out empty-handed do not have to wait for a year or more until they get another chance. It's certainly possible. It just costs money to do.

So... there are possibilities we could ask for. Instanced housing being another one, like you suggested.

But instead some people are asking for some sort of "A deserves a house more than B"-solution. Why? Not only will this raise silly discussions where B and A start arguing about who deserves houses more. It is also pointless, because SE has proven already that they prefer solutions that do not retroactively take houses away from someone(i.E. when they implemented the 'one house per account per server' restriction).

THIS is the part I just cannot understand, because of the reasons I mentioned. When I read something like "remove FC houses entirely" it always sounds like people are not interested in improving the housing situation at all. Instead it sounds like they only want to improve the housing situation for THEMSELVES.

[Sindele]

THIS is the part I just cannot understand, because of the reasons I mentioned. When I read something like "remove FC houses entirely" it always sounds like people are not interested in improving the housing situation at all. Instead it sounds like they only want to improve the housing situation for THEMSELVES.

And we have a winner! This describes about 98% of the posts on this forum, for what it's worth - but people really, really don't like having this pointed out, so brace for your accusations of being purely negative or unhelpful or doomsaying for highlighting their selfishness.

[ZiraZ]

The subs? I believe they are giving subs to individuals in the near future.

is there a source for this?